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HeartofIron
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A Little Help

Post by HeartofIron » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:35 am

I am writing something that involves me knowing something about the healthcare system in Finland. I have researched a little, but it seems that there are mixed messages depending on what you read. In the early 90's, would a child that had some sort of illness (like chronic bronchitis or something) be treated for free, or would the family have had to pay for it? The fictional family I am writing about was poor anyway, and the father gets fired. Then, there is the circumstance of one of their sons being sick. So...would they have been taken care of or would they have been in pretty dire straits? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, guys. : )

J


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Re: A Little Help

Post by wolf80 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:09 pm

HeartofIron wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:35 am
I am writing something that involves me knowing something about the healthcare system in Finland. I have researched a little, but it seems that there are mixed messages depending on what you read. In the early 90's, would a child that had some sort of illness (like chronic bronchitis or something) be treated for free, or would the family have had to pay for it? The fictional family I am writing about was poor anyway, and the father gets fired. Then, there is the circumstance of one of their sons being sick. So...would they have been taken care of or would they have been in pretty dire straits? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, guys. : )

J
So, you are still writing a book set in Finland, without ever having been in Finland?? You do know that anybody who actually knows the country will be laughing their asses off before reaching page 3. Write about what you know.


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Re: A Little Help

Post by HeartofIron » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:07 am

Well...I mean, I can't jump on a plane and go to Finland. There's a specific reason it's set there. I know there are certain nuances that you get from being there, but I have learned in my writing education that if you research thoroughly enough, you won't get laughed at (unless you leave something totally obvious out or you describe something in a weird/awkward/inaccurate way)...

Man, was really hoping for some constructive advice. Thanks.
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Re: A Little Help

Post by wolf80 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:52 am

HeartofIron wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:07 am
Well...I mean, I can't jump on a plane and go to Finland. There's a specific reason it's set there. I know there are certain nuances that you get from being there, but I have learned in my writing education that if you research thoroughly enough, you won't get laughed at (unless you leave something totally obvious out or you describe something in a weird/awkward/inaccurate way)...

Man, was really hoping for some constructive advice. Thanks.
I've been in Finland for over 6 years and not a week goes by without me learning something new about Finnish culture and society.

Every author does research for their books. E.g. police procedures and medical procedures for crime novels. This is necessary, and you can get fairly close to the real thing with outside knowledge from specialists.

But you cannot get all the details of life in the country you have never seen yourself. The book is set in Finland only in your mind, but definitely not in the real Finland. It's like a virgin trying to write about sex. Also, it is borderline-fraudulent, as the reader thinks you know Finland well.

If you cannot afford to come to Finland, set the story of our book in your home country.


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Re: A Little Help

Post by Upphew » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:40 pm

HeartofIron wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:35 am
I am writing something that involves me knowing something about the healthcare system in Finland. I have researched a little, but it seems that there are mixed messages depending on what you read. In the early 90's, would a child that had some sort of illness (like chronic bronchitis or something) be treated for free, or would the family have had to pay for it? The fictional family I am writing about was poor anyway, and the father gets fired. Then, there is the circumstance of one of their sons being sick. So...would they have been taken care of or would they have been in pretty dire straits? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, guys. : )

J
Real fast googling suggest that out patient care was free from 1981 to 1993. If someone really wants to dig deeper in subject I suggest reading tampub.uta.fi/handle/10024/98006
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Re: A Little Help

Post by FinnGuyHelsinki » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:59 pm

HeartofIron wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:35 am
I am writing something that involves me knowing something about the healthcare system in Finland. I have researched a little, but it seems that there are mixed messages depending on what you read. In the early 90's, would a child that had some sort of illness (like chronic bronchitis or something) be treated for free, or would the family have had to pay for it? The fictional family I am writing about was poor anyway, and the father gets fired. Then, there is the circumstance of one of their sons being sick. So...would they have been taken care of or would they have been in pretty dire straits? Any ideas would be appreciated.
Well, it's fiction, and often there are more (important things) to any medical situation than whether or not one has had to pay something for the care. And, of course, people may have had different experiences. Then again, are such details even necessary to further the actual story, if you're not absolutely certain about something, I think it would be better to not try to describe it exactly.


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Re: A Little Help

Post by HeartofIron » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:12 am

wolf80 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:52 am
HeartofIron wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:07 am
Well...I mean, I can't jump on a plane and go to Finland. There's a specific reason it's set there. I know there are certain nuances that you get from being there, but I have learned in my writing education that if you research thoroughly enough, you won't get laughed at (unless you leave something totally obvious out or you describe something in a weird/awkward/inaccurate way)...

Man, was really hoping for some constructive advice. Thanks.
I've been in Finland for over 6 years and not a week goes by without me learning something new about Finnish culture and society.

Every author does research for their books. E.g. police procedures and medical procedures for crime novels. This is necessary, and you can get fairly close to the real thing with outside knowledge from specialists.

But you cannot get all the details of life in the country you have never seen yourself. The book is set in Finland only in your mind, but definitely not in the real Finland. It's like a virgin trying to write about sex. Also, it is borderline-fraudulent, as the reader thinks you know Finland well.

If you cannot afford to come to Finland, set the story of our book in your home country.

I see what you're saying there. I'm sorry I replied rudely; I just got frustrated and acted childish. (I'd also like to add that I am a virgin and have written a pretty good sex scene or two lol...but that's not the point laughs). Anyway, I see what you mean by having to be there and get the full picture. I was watching a video last night of a drone flying over Helsinki, and I was thinking about how different it would be to really be there... Thank you for at least giving feedback. : )
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Re: A Little Help

Post by HeartofIron » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:13 am

Upphew wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:40 pm
HeartofIron wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:35 am
I am writing something that involves me knowing something about the healthcare system in Finland. I have researched a little, but it seems that there are mixed messages depending on what you read. In the early 90's, would a child that had some sort of illness (like chronic bronchitis or something) be treated for free, or would the family have had to pay for it? The fictional family I am writing about was poor anyway, and the father gets fired. Then, there is the circumstance of one of their sons being sick. So...would they have been taken care of or would they have been in pretty dire straits? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, guys. : )

J
Real fast googling suggest that out patient care was free from 1981 to 1993. If someone really wants to dig deeper in subject I suggest reading tampub.uta.fi/handle/10024/98006
Thank you so much. : )
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Re: A Little Help

Post by HeartofIron » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:15 am

FinnGuyHelsinki wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:59 pm
HeartofIron wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:35 am
I am writing something that involves me knowing something about the healthcare system in Finland. I have researched a little, but it seems that there are mixed messages depending on what you read. In the early 90's, would a child that had some sort of illness (like chronic bronchitis or something) be treated for free, or would the family have had to pay for it? The fictional family I am writing about was poor anyway, and the father gets fired. Then, there is the circumstance of one of their sons being sick. So...would they have been taken care of or would they have been in pretty dire straits? Any ideas would be appreciated.
Well, it's fiction, and often there are more (important things) to any medical situation than whether or not one has had to pay something for the care. And, of course, people may have had different experiences. Then again, are such details even necessary to further the actual story, if you're not absolutely certain about something, I think it would be better to not try to describe it exactly.
That's true. Part of it was that I needed them to be sort of in a bad situation, and whether or not they had to face the cost of healthcare would be crucial, but I probably won't go into it in the story. Thank you for your feedback! : )
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?
-Poe


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