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samurai
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by samurai » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:27 pm
Hi,
My student residence permit for Finland got refused last year so I am applying again. There is an option in the residence permit for saying
Have you been subject to a refusal of entry into the Schengen territory?
----YES ---- NO
Which country------------
Is the refusal of entry still in force?
----- No. When was it in force?-----------
----- Yes. Until when is it in force? ------------
Where shall I tick at? YES or NO? Is it talking about refusal of student visa or what? Please help me
Thanks in advance
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Rip
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by Rip » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:18 pm
You asked this already once. No, you have not been subject to 'refusal of entry'
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samurai
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by samurai » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:24 pm
Yes I asked this before but I was not confirmed only you replied to this question of mine, while I asked many other friends on facebook that I should mention YES. That is why I wanted to confirm it.
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Rip
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by Rip » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:30 pm
No reason to start a new thread. The Finnish version of the form says 'maahantulokielto'. You need to do something illegal to earn that.
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rinso
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by rinso » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:32 pm
samurai wrote:you replied to this question of mine, while I asked many other friends on facebook that I should mention YES.
Now you have the problem who to believe, Your Facebook friends or an unknown stranger on a forum.
That is why I wanted to confirm it.
Asking the same question to the same person will get you the same answer.
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Pursuivant
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by Pursuivant » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:00 pm
Where shall I tick at? YES or NO?
(x) Too thick.
"By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes."
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Ashken
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by Ashken » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:38 pm
You were denied a student residence permit but you weren't refused entry to the Schengen territory yet. (And also, if you are to say YES, what would be your answer to the follow-up question regarding the duration of the refusal of entry?) I believe what was given to you as a response to your first application is an appeal instruction and not a statement that you are banned from entry to the Schengen area due to fraudulent information provided, or for any other reason.
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cors187
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by cors187 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:24 pm
samurai wrote:Hi,
My student residence permit for Finland got refused last year so I am applying again. There is an option in the residence permit for saying
Have you been subject to a refusal of entry into the Schengen territory?
----YES ---- NO
Which country------------
Is the refusal of entry still in force?
----- No. When was it in force?-----------
----- Yes. Until when is it in force? ------------
Where shall I tick at? YES or NO? Is it talking about refusal of student visa or what? Please help me
Thanks in advance
Refusal of entry is different to an Application that is denied.
When you think about it "refusal of entry" requires you to be "refused entry", and that would mean you were "refused entry" at some place in the territory.
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samurai
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by samurai » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:06 am
I am very thankful to cors187 and Ashken for their clear answer. Thanks again.
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cors187
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by cors187 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:54 am
Decision on refusal of entry
In conjunction with the negative decision on a residence permit the police or the Finnish Immigration Service will also make a decision on refusal of entry. The police or Border Guard will enforce the refusal of entry, i.e. the removal from Finland.
If your residence permit application has been rejected because of a circumvention of immigration regulations or, for example, because of a marriage of convenience, the decision on refusal of entry will also include refusal of entry to the Schengen area. Refusal of entry will also be imposed if you are considered a danger to public order or security, for example through your criminal activity. Refusal of entry will also be imposed if your application for international protection is rejected in the accelerated procedure.
In other cases you will have the opportunity to leave Finland voluntarily during a brief period of grace. If you do not leave Finland voluntarily before the deadline, a refusal of entry to the Schengen area will be imposed.
More information on refusal of entry for asylum seekers can be found on the Asylum in Finland - Refusal of Entry webpage.
http://www.migri.fi/asylum_in_finland/a ... l_of_entry
To be honest it is slightly deceiving how its worded ,as refusal to enter taken literally could be worded "refused me entry".
Carry on.
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Rip
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by Rip » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:07 am
What is stated above is true, but do you think you have better grounds for applying the permit than last time. Based on what you've written here, *I* would not be convinced that you have that 6000€ truly available for spending to cover your living costs.
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Upphew
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by Upphew » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:39 am
Rip wrote:What is stated above is true, but do you think you have better grounds for applying the permit than last time. Based on what you've written here, *I* would not be convinced that you have that 6000€ truly available for spending to cover your living costs.
And if you don't have the 6k available, then the living might get quite hard here. "I'll get a job" - no you don't. "I'll live frugally" - with 500 per month you'll already have to.
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Visa is for visiting, Residence Permit for residing.
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samurai
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by samurai » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:25 pm
Rip wrote:What is stated above is true, but do you think you have better grounds for applying the permit than last time. Based on what you've written here, *I* would not be convinced that you have that 6000€ truly available for spending to cover your living costs.
My dear, I have 6000 euros available to meet all my expanses. Last time it was different case we didn't have that much money so we just borrowed but now my father has 10,000 euros available in his account for last 2 months and he will transfer 6000 euros in my account. So I will be able to cover all the miscellaneous expanses that occurs during my study period.
Do you people still think that I haven't better grounds for applying the permit this time?
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rinso
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by rinso » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:54 pm
samurai wrote:Do you people still think that I haven't better grounds for applying the permit this time?
Since you already have one refusal under your belt, migri will look very careful at your next application.
If there is any doubt, they might refuse again.
My dear, I have 6000 euros available to meet all my expanses.
You realize that is the absolute minimum for one year.
The next year you have to show €6000,- again.
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samurai
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by samurai » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:16 pm
then would you please tell me how to prepare next application this time?
My father has government job and his salary is 270 euros per month. Do you think immigration may refuse seeing such a low amount of salary? However, my father has money in his account and will transfer it in my account for applying residence permit.
Any suggestion? What to do in this case?
