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Education Polytechnics?

Post by Joakimnylund » Mon Nov 10, 2003 6:59 pm

Hi,
I would like to know if I can go to though an education program to get a degree in computer programming.
I have done 10 years of basic school in Denmark.
I moved to finland 6 months ago and would like to get into school to enhance my skills in computers... mmm I don't know what my next step is... could someone help me out on this? is Polytechnics for me?
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Post by Hank W. » Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:18 pm

"To apply to Arcada Polytechnic you must have an appropriate educational background, that is Finnish or foreign Matriculation Examination, or completed secondary school or equivalent 12-year formal education. "

Same thing here:
http://www.helia.fi/english/Applicant%2 ... echnology/

What you could do is though, the "Gemensamansökan" is coming up and there is a lot of courses there for mid-level vocational training. I don't know what your language preferences are, but if Swedish is easy for you than Finnish, you'd have a good chance. The brochure comes out in December-January so then you can see what is available.

If in English, then its limited; http://www.slk.fi

Vocational Qualification in Business and Administration (QBA)
120 credits

In January 2002, Finnish Business College was the first business college in Finland to offer a basic qualification in business and administration in English. The next group will start in January 2004. For further information and the application form, please see the Vocational Qualification in Business and Administration (QBA)
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Post by Joakimnylund » Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:27 am

Hank W. wrote:If in English, then its limited; http://www.slk.fi
Ok so if I only want to do english studies my only option is business school? and this is the next step you think I should take?

Thanks :D

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Post by Hank W. » Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:33 am

I don't say "only option" but I say "very limited". If you can do Swedish you're all set (not in Helsinki necessarily then tho). The brochure is not out so I cannot check what is running yet.
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Post by BAT » Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:18 pm

Hi, I know this is a bit general, but here is a link to all Polytechnics in Finland, in case anyone else needs this info.

http://www.minedu.fi/minedu/education/p ... _list.html


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Post by Joakimnylund » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:06 pm

Hank W. wrote:I don't say "only option" but I say "very limited". If you can do Swedish you're all set (not in Helsinki necessarily then tho). The brochure is not out so I cannot check what is running yet.
Ah ok. Well yes I'm very limited then. I can't do studies in Swedish.
Is the Finnish Business School one of the options I can take then. (correcet step before Polytechnics...)
High school is what it is then... (I'm like totally lost when we're talking about education levels but hey, I have to learn someday ;))
You don't know anymore high schools which are english then (if its high school I'm suppose to do :D)?
Thanks a lot
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Post by Hank W. » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:19 pm

Well, you can get a high school diploma in Helsinki in English like here:
http://www.eiraedu.com/aice/ukaice.html

What I was suggesting was a secondary 'vocational' path so you don't end reading 2-3 years of history of the middle ages, unless thats your preference.

OK, you're confused: go here:
http://www.edu.fi/english/
Choose => education for foreigners. They explain most everything.

The system in Finland is basically classes 1-9 is you compulsory education, then after age 16 you need not study, you can take 3 years 'high school' or 2-3 years vocational school or business college. From high school you can matriculate. Then either from vocational or high school that is called 'secondary' you can apply to polytechnic and university. So if you only did 10 classes you need to get something in between. I'd say something like the business college gives you a better chance of finding work unless you intend to spend 6-10 years straight in high school and university.
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Post by Joakimnylund » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:30 pm

Hank W. wrote:The system in Finland is basically classes 1-9 is you compulsory education, then after age 16 you need not study, you can take 3 years 'high school' or 2-3 years vocational school or business college. From high school you can matriculate. Then either from vocational or high school that is called 'secondary' you can apply to polytechnic and university. So if you only did 10 classes you need to get something in between. I'd say something like the business college gives you a better chance of finding work unless you intend to spend 6-10 years straight in high school and university.
Oh great now I'm clear on that! :D :D :D
so business college is like the best option which just gives me the secondary schooling I need. Which means I then can choose to go to University (or polytechnics) or even get a good job. ;);)
Sounds simple enough.
So if I do Secondary school focused on something else than business you think its not that benefitial than business college? 'Cause I want to do programming and that kind of stuff. but yeah I can understand why the business school would be more worthwhile and yeah I don't want to be 6 years straight studies.
Thanks again! :)
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Post by Hank W. » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:48 pm

Well, the business school I found has also IT in the program. I am not sure what else there is around, because the magic word "English" is involved. Anyhow, the business background doesn't hurt, like if you then continue to say HELIA and the BIT program (in the same physical school building) they're going to accept some of the courses as done. I think also there might be engineering available. But as I said - need to check.

What you can do is go to the Employment Office (työvoimatoimisto) and ask in there. They have there people that give information on education. Thats where I got my incentive to go to business college way back when. And they ought to know of english-speaking programs. The magic word for programming is "datanomi". I found engineering etc, but in English... there is the specially for foreigners department in Helsinki at the main Työvoimatoimisto so if I were you I'd go there. They might have some special courses as well.
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Post by gavin » Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:51 pm

I think that there are plenty of courses in English availible, if you just look for them.

A friend of mine did International Politics at Helsinki Uni, and I know several people that have studied Forestry BSc/MSc/Phd at Helsinki, Joensuu Uni etc. At a vocational level, for example a lot of 'local colleges' do courses in English, for example, Kuru College do a B.Sc in Forestry entirely in English.

I'm not saying 'go be a Forest Engineer" - don't :!:

Just illustrating that some 'specialised' courses are also available in English.

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Post by Joakimnylund » Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:06 pm

gavin wrote:I think that there are plenty of courses in English availible, if you just look for them.
Mmm yes but then I have a question. A course in for example 'economics' would give you a certain degree but would that just be enough to then get into a university. Maybe I got it wrong somewhere..so there are courses but then there are also colleges for degrees which you then can apply to university.
So if that is how it is my question would be what colleges or high schools have their program in english or am I getting too complex.
:oops:
Well I hope I did not ask you to pick your brain too much but any help on that would clear up my mind.
;)
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Post by Hank W. » Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:23 am

gavin wrote:I think that there are plenty of courses in English availible, if you just look for them.
Yeah, but Joakim needs to have his "levels" done. As he said he only has 10 grades done. Here you need 12 or equivalent. And there isn't that many english courses available on the lower secondary level. Theres some vocational schooling for immigrants, but in principle secondary education in Finland is required to be made in Finnish. Then when you get past that threshold you can get a wider selection. There is the 'common applications' in March, but the brochure for "secondary education" comes out in December so thats why - Joakim - the employment office immigration section - chop chop!
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Post by dusty_bin » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:59 am

I had a Finnish friend who went to a high school somewhere in Helsinki that taught in English. I don't know where it is, although she lives out near Gigantti, and is not the daughter of a diplomat... far from it.


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Post by jwesthues » Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:16 pm

In Helsinki, there is the English School which I think is part of the Finnish school system (unlike the International School of Helsinki, which is private). A friend went there and his children also went/go there. They all speak very highly of it.

I also think that both Vantaa and Espoo have high schools that offer IB programs in English.


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Post by Hank W. » Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:28 pm

Yes, I went there too, http://www.eschool.edu.hel.fi/

But Joakim wants to be a programmer - now - :mrgreen:
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