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Query dependent visa procedure

Post by capthari » Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:16 pm

Iam coming to finland for working with NOKIA for about a year. I got my work permit from NOKIA. I am married and I ewant to get my spouse along with me to finland. What is the procedure for getting a resident dependent permit for my spouse and How long will it take to get visa for my spouse?Can we both travel together or i nedd to come there first and then submit visa for my spouse.
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Aparna.



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Post by Dara » Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:45 pm

Blah another lucky one! Welcome to the board...

A quick note for you:

Family members

The members of an employee's family have a right to reside in Finland.

Family members include:


a spouse or cohabitant
a child under 21 years of age or dependent on parents' care
parents of the worker and his/her spouse if the parents are dependent on the worker's care.
Dependants will be issued with residence permits in line with the principal applicant. They must, however, obtain own work permits if they wish to take up employment in Finland.

Applying for permits

The applications for a visa, a residence permit or a work permit are made to the Finnish diplomatic mission before entering Finland.

If due to only exceptional circumstances, the first application for a residence permit is made in Finland, the Directorate of Immigration is the decision-making authority. Experience has shown this procedure to be very difficult and is not recommended.

If the work permit is applied for in Finland, the application must be submitted to the local police.

That is taken from the PWC global site...


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Post by distantspaces » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:21 pm

Hi Aparna,

Welcome to Finland!

Have you checked with the Finnish Embassy in Delhi about the procedure? If not, I suggest you ask them first.
http://www.finembindia.com

Another good resource would be the Fintia mailing list for Indians living in Finland. There are many Indians here who have their spouse living with them. I am sure they know the procedure. Join the list if you are not already a member.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fintia/

I don't have any personal experience with this, but I hope these links provide some useful information to you.


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Post by Hank W. » Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:26 pm

And then also the appropriate pdf at the Directorate of Immigration website:

Residence permit for Finland on the basis of family ties
http://www.uvi.fi/pdf/olelupaperheside_eng.pdf
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Post by distantspaces » Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:09 pm

This is from the Finnish Embassy's Indian site:

FAMILY MEMBERS
A permit is generally granted to members of immediate family (a spouse or an unmarried child under the age of 18 ). The applicant can apply for a residence permit in his country of residence. The family member who is already legally residing in Finland, may also leave an application on the applicant's behalf to the local police in Finland.

1. Residence permit form along with two recent passport size photographs.
2. Valid passport, which must be valid for at least three months beyond the permit's expiry date.
3. As proof of family ties official documentation has to be presented (marriage certificate, birth certificates of children).

The family member who is already residing in Finland must have guaranteed means of support.

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I suggest you should ask your husband to apply in India. The processing queues here are painfully long.


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Who are family members?

Post by vp » Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:32 am

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Family members include:


a spouse or cohabitant
a child under 21 years of age or dependent on parents' care
parents of the worker and his/her spouse if the parents are dependent on the worker's care.
Dependants will be issued with residence permits in line with the principal applicant. They must, however, obtain own work permits if they wish to take up employment in Finland.

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at the same time UVI site (and many others I have checked) says that family includes children and spouses ONLY.

Are a PARENTS supposed to be family members or not? Is it only about EU citizenz? Is there any official link which describes this?


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Post by PeterF » Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:43 am

Nokia HR in Finland and also India can and will be sure to help you.
Have you asked them the same question?
However you say coming for just one year..
Was the fact that you want to bring your spouse discussed as part of the job discusions?
What about accomodation?


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Re: Who are family members?

Post by Hank W. » Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:50 am

vp wrote:Are a PARENTS supposed to be family members or not? Is it only about EU citizenz? Is there any official link which describes this?


If you read the link I posted up there it says:

"Other members of the family

In exceptional circumstances a residence permit may
be granted to close relatives other than members of
the immediate family if you:

- are a Finnish citizen
- are a citizen of one of the other Nordic countries
(Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Iceland)
- have obtained a residence permit on the grounds of
being a refugee or in need of protection.


Other close relatives to whom a permit may be granted
are, for example, the aged parents or unmarried
brothers or sisters of an adult.

It is a condition for granting a permit that you have
already spent a close family life together and that you
intend to continue it in Finland. If your close relative is
entirely dependent on you, he or she may also obtain
a permit on that basis. In this case, too, it is generally
required that you have previously lived within the same
household and have moved apart for some compelling
reason. If your close relative's circumstances have
changed so that living alone in his or her own country
would be unreasonable, he or she may obtain a
residence permit even if you had not previously been
living together within the same household.
"

So basically, in Finland parents are not immediate family.

A close family member is a person who is a member
of the nuclear family i.e. a spouse or a child under 18.


Call it a cultural difference if you may.
Cheers, Hank W.
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aged parents

Post by vp » Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:07 pm

So there is no way to get residence permit for aged parents if you are not Nordic citizen?

I wonder, may be there are some lawyers, who work with this matter and know something which could help. Any advice greatly appreciated!


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Post by Dara » Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:45 pm

As far as I know, your dependants can get a residence permit, as I already posted :

parents of the worker and his/her spouse if the parents are dependent on the worker's care

I am working with PWC for some years now and I am sure they know what they are talking about. Check this link:

http://www.pwcglobal.com/Extweb/service.nsf/docid/E0DFB93125F25140CA256BC10013A8E2

Why don't you write to PWC for an advaice. They might give you the advice for free and suggest to help you out with the procedure... Unfortunately as they are my firm's official legal advisors it would cost me an arm and a leg to ask them :(.


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