How to prove the livetogether time

by **Sial** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:41 pm

Hi there

If a couple lived together out of finland for a time period and now applying for residence permit within finland, how can they prove their stay together. There is a heading in residence permit application form about living together. so in that head, one can write time period of stay and place and dates (from this till this etc), but how can they give proof or how immigration or police will confirm it.

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by **magenta22** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:01 pm

I'd like to know this too.

by **Hudi** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:43 pm

You passports probably have stamps.
For example:

John visitided Mary in South Africa... when he enter South Africa they will stamp the passport.
They live together there for 3 years.
When he leaves the country they stamp it again.

That doesn't prove that you were together but at least it proves that you two were in the same country at the same time.

And then if you really want them not to doubt you -and get your residence permit accepted-, you may add some documents that prove you were really leaving together.
Bills with "John's" name on it while he was living abroad and bills with "Mary's" name on it... needless to say that the adress should be the same.

That's just my personal thoughts on it.

by **Sial** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:23 pm

I think I should have to put my case so that you guys can answer accordingly.

My wife moved to my country with her family (that time we didnt know each other, hence she was not my wife) and started living on family visa. She lived with her family in my country for three years (no need to mention why a finnish family moved in the country. they had their reasons). After that, we met and soon after we got married and she shifted to my home and we started living together. Now her address changed as she left her family and living with me. We lived together for about 14 months and then moved to finland. (me on visit visa). Now I am planning to apply from here in finland and I should have to include the living together time.

PS: Our house was on my moms name and utility bills comes on her name obviously.

by **interleukin** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:46 pm

You´re either married, and then you don´t directly need to prove that you´ve lived together (only that the marriage is not fake), or you are not married and then you need to prove that you´ve lived together for a minimum of two years (14 months is not even close).

by **Rodwen** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:15 pm

When we applied they wanted to see the rental contract with both of our names on it and we are married.
Well, maybe it wasn't required, but we had it and they wanted to see it, so the more papers the better i guess.

Maybe you can provide a rental contract or maybe your wife received mail to your address during those 14 months? That could be proof.

by **Sial** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:26 pm

interleukin wrote:You´re either married, and then you don´t directly need to prove that you´ve lived together (only that the marriage is not fake), or you are not married and then you need to prove that you´ve lived together for a minimum of two years (14 months is not even close).

No matter marriage is fake or real, whatever the case is, if you are filling the form for applying for residence permit and your spouse is finnish national, You have to include if you lived together. On the site http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=3823 Download the form OLE_PH2 (form filled by spouse of finnish citizen) and in Section B, first clause is the question that either you lived as a family outside finland or not. (sub section A) and in that sub section A, first question is ''Have you and your spouse lived outside finland in same household? Where and for How long?'' So it is there in form. And if finnish immigration put it there, they must have considered obviously. Read it.

Secondly, I didnt talk about not marrid and live together, I said ''married and live together'' so in that context, any time period is included. whether it is 2 years or 2 months. So for sure 14 months has a certain value.

by **Rip** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:46 pm

Resident permit means something. If there is some sort of official place of residence record system in your country from where you can ask a document, the do that. Otherwise you'll need to manage with out. If the story you write makes sense and it is backed by the evidence available I would not be overly concerned if the documentation is limited.

by **interleukin** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:45 pm

Post deleted because the OP isn't going to listen to reason in this thread either. I have RL trolls to feed.

by **Sial** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:41 pm

interleukin wrote:Post deleted because the OP isn't going to listen to reason in this thread either. I have RL trolls to feed.

I gave answer to your reply and that proved you wrong and showed your ignorance and nonesense. But you dont have guts to reply back properly as you are a foolish troll. Move off and oh ya, stop eating rotten shark because it is killing your brain.

by **Hudi** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:38 am

Sial wrote:
interleukin wrote:Post deleted because the OP isn't going to listen to reason in this thread either. I have RL trolls to feed.

I gave answer to your reply and that proved you wrong and showed your ignorance and nonesense. But you dont have guts to reply back properly as you are a foolish troll. Move off and oh ya, stop eating rotten shark because it is killing your brain.

I never liked interleukin answers in this forum... I can't remember reading a nice answer from him actually trying to help someone. It's always like: "I'm the best, you suck. I'm right, you are wrong". Or then it's somekind of ironic (sarcastic) comment... as if all of us were stupid enough not to catch the real meaning.

And Sial is right... he proved his point. He came here asking for help and interleukin came as if he created the finnish system and failed badly:

You´re either married, and then you don´t directly need to prove that you´ve lived together (only that the marriage is not fake), or you are not married and then you need to prove that you´ve lived together for a minimum of two years (14 months is not even close).

Even when you are married you need to "prove" that you lived or live together. It would be so easy if it was just like: "Oh, we got married! Give me my RP, now!".

But yeah, when you suck badly in life, become a moderator on an internet forum and show how powerfull you are... Ooooh, so scary!
Fell free to ban me... but I couldn't just sit and watch this.
And make sure you ban my ip... so it will make it just a little harder for me to create another acc. If I even want to....

by **magenta22** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:06 pm

Okay, so what happens if all the bills are in the other persons name because they feel that it is their duty to provide? all the bills are set up and they won't dream of letting me pay any of them. Added me on the ct but still it is in their name as they don't need to put both apparently. I pay for the other bits like shopping. So how then can you prove you live together?

by **Rip** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:48 pm

magenta22 wrote:Okay, so what happens if all the bills are in the other persons name because they feel that it is their duty to provide? all the bills are set up and they won't dream of letting me pay any of them. Added me on the ct but still it is in their name as they don't need to put both apparently. I pay for the other bits like shopping. So how then can you prove you live together?

If you don't have formal documents, you have to do with out them. If you're planning to apply a residence permit here in the future, especially without marriage (or kids) so that the 2 years is a formal requirement, then put an effort to generate some paper trail. If you can get some sort of formal record of residence from the place, good. Otherwise the rental contract or utility bills, I'd guess.

because they feel that it is their duty to provide

Say that if it makes him(her) happy, that he can pay the money back to you afterwards in cash, but having some easy to understand evidence that you have together lived in a same place is in your common interest.

by **Upphew** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:04 pm

Rip wrote:
because they feel that it is their duty to provide

Say that if it makes him(her) happy, that he can pay the money back to you afterwards in cash, but having some easy to understand evidence that you have together lived in a same place is in your common interest.

Why pass the money? Does utilities abroad only accept earmarked money? "Sir, it seems that this money came from your wife, we cannot accept these bills." o.0

by **rinso** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:51 pm

magenta22 wrote:Okay, so what happens if all the bills are in the other persons name because they feel that it is their duty to provide? all the bills are set up and they won't dream of letting me pay any of them.

You realize that this kind of story might trigger the alarm bells at Migri.
Tell what you have, not what you don't have.