Need Information Plz

[Pursuivant]

Government should impose a "souvenier import tax"

[Sial]

Hi there. Please dont get confused by the answers of others. The best option for you is to apply from finland. Mean come here, get married and apply within finland. But this option will be good for you if you have two things,

1 Your girlfriend have her seperate accommodation (rental or lease, anything) and you both will live together in that place.
2 You are ready to stay without work for atleast 2 months as during processing, you are not allowed to work.

For the spouse of finnish citizen, it is best to apply in finland at local police. This is the option that immigration itself give and there is nothing wrong in it.Infact if you apply from embassy outsife finland, that will take more processing time cuz for sure, immigration have more cases as compared to police. And there is certainally no problem. Things are not that complicated that people made them here on forums. Finnish marriage document is a legal document and has a value in finland.

Source: I applied within finland at immigration police, helsinki and I got my permit after 2 and half weeks. I had visit visa for entering in finland and at embassy in my country, i mentioned in visa application that i am going to apply for residence permit from finland and will be able to stay there legally even my visa will expire. And due to that, i didnt need to show return ticket for getting visa and embassy itself confirmed that one way ticket is ok for me.

[Kutittaa]

He's not the first tourist guide to work his charms on one of his blissful tourists and definitely won't be the last.

Eh? You're implying that the Finn is hopeless and desperate? I think you're forgetting that a lot of Finns take advantage of foreigners as well and aren't completely hopeless when it comes to choosing/finding men regardless of where they are from. In fact, I know of a couple of people exactly who often take advantage of immigrants. Without getting into too much, don't mistake Finns for being the 'victims' here.

I just watched one Moroccan guy get kicked out of Finland when his French speaking Finnish wife filed for divorce 2 months before he was to extend his permit. She literally threw his things out the window one day while he was out. Considering that she was serious and that ultimately the divorce would conclude relatively quickly because everything was in her name and her husband is totally helpless without her when it comes to living here, and adding to the equation she had just become pregnant at the time. They denied the right of extension because his wife (now ex) wrote that she didn't want him around because he was abusive, cruel, violent and she didn't like his religious ways etc. and she didn't want someone like that around. Of course it's a bit more complicated she had to file for a lot different things but from my understanding of the situation. (She is one of my wife's best friends) this guy had nothing in his name at all and left the country just a little while ago without anything except a ticket back to Marrakech.

He'll be paying child support over the ocean now while I can imagine that his ex wife will find a suitable man who will want to help take care of the baby. Think about it from a literal sense. Sure some Finnish women can fall victim but others well... relationships are a two-way street.

As for what Sial wrote all of that is highly circumstantial and pretty presumptuous. How do you know she has residency in Finland that they can use? Also how do you know that it only takes 2 months to get the permit accepted? Really it sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

[dev]

For the spouse of finnish citizen, it is best to apply in finland at local police. This is the option that immigration itself give and there is nothing wrong in it.

Really?

Please don't spread wrong information.

2. How do I apply for my first Finnish residence permit?
As a rule, you must submit the application for your first residence permit to the Finnish embassy in your home country before entering Finland. A fee will be charged for the processing of the application

Source: http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=3429

[elidore]

tizlit are u moroccan ?

1St you make me laght guys, coz u critic my english, as u know my mother language is arabic, and i studied french in primary school and after spanich in high school, i learnt english by my self, thing that a lot of u can't do, u can't be multi-language.. so stop

i love my future wife, and i asked her to live in morocco, but she won't live in morocco because of personal reasons..

i know all the risks if i apply from finland, i accept them and i'm ready for that, but my big fair is to have a negative answer, coz i can stay at home for 1 or 2 years, it's not the problem, and i'm sure about my self i can have a work when i have my permit resident, i have a lot of skill, or maybe i can have my own busness, i can manage my self and even without a resident permit i can do something to have some money..

Sial, where are you from, and i'm interested to learn about your experience plz

Dev, this is 2 from migri.fi http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=3410

1. I am a Finnish citizen and I am married to a foreigner who is not an EU citizen or equivalent. Which permit does my spouse need to enter Finland? How is this permit applied for?

Your spouse is a family member of a Finnish citizen and may enter Finland without a residence permit, with a visa, if the conditions for granting one are met, or without a visa, if your spouse is exempt from the visa requirement. The decision on granting a visa is made by the Finnish embassy abroad.

Before your spouse’s visa expires or his or her visa-free residence period ends, your spouse must apply for a residence permit from the police of his or her municipality of residence. The police will decide whether a residence permit is granted.

If your spouse (the applicant) is applying for his or her first Finnish residence permit, he or she may legally reside in Finland while the application is pending, even if his or her visa expires or the visa-free residence period ends during that time.

[interleukin]

2 You are ready to stay without work for atleast 2 months as during processing, you are not allowed to work.

It is great that you had to wait such a short time, but it is really irresponsible to advise someone what to do on the basis of that. If you have just a really quick glance in this forum, you see spouses of Finnish citizens who are waiting up to a year for their permits. A whole year without being in the system is a lot more horrible than your few weeks. If you want to advise people on what to do, tell them that for you it was quick, but that they should be aware that it isn't always like that. That is the only way they can make their own, properly informed choices.

[Kutittaa]

i know all the risks if i apply from finland, i accept them and i'm ready for that.

No you don't. That is what we are saying. You don't really know any of the risks which is why you are asking. If you knew them all why would you be asking eh? Besides knowing them and actually having to go through them are a lot different. I just explained of one Moroccan who was kicked out because his wife was fed up with him. Though he was a complete idiot through and through. You can barely communicate in English and you can't communicate in Finnish. How do you expect to be able to communicate or work in this country? Because you can't live off the government forever. You've been told that you will have to have enough money to support yourself maybe for up to 6 months (Half a year) where you will not be getting any money for anything. Instead you will be PAYING for everything. Rent, food, utilities, transport and anything and everything else in between. You are covered for NOTHING. Also you could be DENIED in Finland just as easily as you could be denied in Morocco, it's just the same. Only difference is you have already spent the plane ticket to Finland and wasted it and then you have to pay to go back to Morocco.

but my big fair is to have a negative answer, coz i can stay at home for 1 or 2 years, it's not the problem, and i'm sure about my self i can have a work when i have my permit resident, i have a lot of skill, or maybe i can have my own busness,

Finland does not give you any money to start up a Pizza or Kebab business and how do you expect to work and do anything for anyone here without being able to speak Finnish? With barely any English? This is Finland, not Morocco or England. What money do you have to live on and then start a business? You're not being realistic.

i can manage my self and even without a resident permit i can do something to have some money..

No you can't. You cannot do ANYTHING to get money in Finland without a permit! You have no right to work. If you work you are breaking the law and you get kicked out. You sit on your ass and basically do nothing except learn Finnish, which if you do not do by yourself it basically almost always costs money. We have some free institutions here but they are pretty bad.

Basically you have no clue about anything except that you will fly here and then apply for residency and after.. well actually I don't even know if you have thought past there.

[elidore]

Kutitta

i know i'm not goin' to the paradise in finland, but why r u talkin' this way, u want to stay in my country and waitin' an answer who could be negative 2, why not apply from finland, and wait 2 6 month or a year i don't care coz i'll be with my love, you are not Finnish you are australian i guess, all the people i met from finland are kind and generous, and i have the support of my parent's wife, so i accept to not work or just stayin' home for long long time and i'm sure that i'll have my resident permit, why u r tryin' to make feel that i'm askin' a permit for the paradise, it's a country like anothers, so i'll try and i'm sure i'll have it, specially we'll have a baby sooner

[Sial]

@ interleukin

Well you are right about that. That in my case it was like that but not always things like that happens. But i said so cuz the guy in his starting posts mentioned that he want to know about experience of people with similar situation. so my experience was this, There was no reason or any point that showed that my marriage is fake, beacause it WAS not fake. we were living together in same household and both had that address, I applied at immigration police in Helsinki, located somewhere near malmi and in full 2 and a half weeks, i get my permit (including saturdays nd sundays). I have a friend who also applied after coming in finland and his permit was on his passport in 23 days. and I know 5 or 6 people who applied from their country and none of them get permit less than 6 months and 2 are still waiting and 8 months passed already. So this is my experience,

And to someone who said that dont spread wrong information, well it was recommended to me by embassy to apply from finland at local police. I asked that why it is a better option and they said that because immigration used to have piles of cases and all cases are mixed, mean for the residence permit for spouses who are not finnish citizens and are in finland on work permit etc and in that kinda cases there is too much processing, like judging accommodation, income of spouse living in finland etc etc, while case of spouse of finnish citizen is pretty straight. And embassy itself suggested that now a days they have too much rush so to save time its better you apply from finland if you want.

And second thing, if finnish government itself gave the option that ''spouse of finnish citizen can apply from finland at local police'' and without mentioning any kinda risk in that, then why not take it! i think it is better to stand in that line where only those people are standing who got less processing and straight kinda cases than to stand in that line where mixed cases are standing with very very different circumstances. But this option is only good if you can wait and have no problem of expanses, cuz as your case will be in processing, you will not be able work and make money but yet you will consume electricity, heating, water and food etc etc. So for the person, who dont have problem of expanses, it is better to apply from within finland, so that you will be living with your love, will be able to learn language and see the country. simple is that

@ topic starter
I am from pakistan and i am ashamed of being pakistani

[Kutittaa]

A baby can have nothing to do with anything. We explained that before.

Also I'm not being negative I'm being realistic. Moving to Finland is no easy matter. You need 'papers' and a 'reason' for everything. If you don't fall into a category the answer is 'no'. Also cases of 'special circumstances' are few and far in between.

I CAPITALISED some of my words so you could understand better and not take anything the wrong way.

I am still not convinced that you will not try and find a way to work without a permit. Let alone that you will be able to support yourself and your child in Finland and frankly I think Finland/Migri/etc. may think the same thing.

There is no difference applying in Morocco or Finland. Except in Finland you could waste your plane ticket and live even up to half a year without any sort of money or health support and then you could get denied in the end as I said. Also you are not allowed to work or make ANY money. In Morocco you can while you wait for an answer. When you get your permit you can go to Finland and register and work right away if you are accepted in Morocco.

Also you are ignoring all the things that could happen... you are going to be a father you should start by taking this matter seriously instead of stupidly thinking "It will all just work out ok". We may see you back here soon complaining that you were denied and now what do you do...

@Sial there ARE risks of applying in Finland... far more than applying in your OWN country.

[elidore]

Sial
why are u ashamed to be a pakistani lol we are all the same man, so tell me plz how was ur age and the age of ur wife when u getted married ? and which the document that the immigration ask you to join in application files, and how did u get the same adress like ur wife ?
i hope u explain all the process that u did plz

Kutittaa
i'm sure i'll be not denied, i'll stay there and i feel that i can have my resident permit sooner too,

[Sial]

@ Kutittaa

And what are those risks, honestly i dont know. I applied within finland and everything was very smooth and nice.

[Pursuivant]

Infact if you apply from embassy outsife finland, that will take more processing time cuz for sure, immigration have more cases as compared to police.

2,5 weeks in Helsinki is a fluke, or they really have speeded up things?

[Kutittaa]

Kutittaa
i'm sure i'll be not denied, i'll stay there and i feel that i can have my resident permit sooner too,

Gosh your ignorance must be convenient. For the time being anyway.

@Sial I already explained the risks in 3 different posts, others also wrote the same thing. Could be 6 months even no money, no health care etc. No rights to work etc. If denied, asked to leave, then you wasted your ticket there and now have to pay for one back. The list is pretty long...

None of those are your problem if you apply in you own country. There is absolutely no proof that it is a 'better choice' to apply in Finland than in your own country and that you have a lower chance of being denied. On the contrary it is better to apply in your own country because you can continue with your life and save up money while working and get your things in order before leaving. When and if you are accepted you can fly to Finland without any hassle and apply for all the things you need.

OP was also talking about working without a permit... etc. But hey we get people in here all the time who think they are a special case and that everything will work out fine without even knowing the first thing about the place they are moving to.

[Pursuivant]

and how did u get the same adress like ur wife

Because they lived together, stupid.