Residence permit for cohabitation. Urgent...

[Pursuivant]

In your quest for excuse, you will be quick to conclude that 6degrees is a pile of rubbish for publishing a story about someone from your country who desperately needs a student visa in Finland for bachelors degree? Don't make me cry!

6degrees is a pile of rubbish. In any case reading that soppy story I couldn't believe if such idiots exist in real life. Guy's living in the USA making serious money, with a Russian wife and they move to Finland!? Really, the guy is so dumb it makes me cry.

[Kutittaa]

Remember, your first claim was that the OP is desperate because he is a student and does not necessarily need to change his status. That is 1 year more than the required for what he intend to do. Anyway, I agree with you that its difficult to prove that fact but i know for some reasons, people move in to a partners registered apartment and don't worry much about the contract, they just pay their part of the bill.

1. OP is a female. (I use he/she so others can easily add themselves to the equation).
2. Student visa is not a stepping stone to getting a residency permit. No visa is.
3. Finns only care about what is on paper.

But you forget this person mentioned he has been living with his partner for 3 years.

4. Ugh.. I didn't forget you dumbass. OP can't bloody prove this, so what good is it that she has lived with anyone at all if you can't bloody prove it? smh.

See here:

We want to be sure of giving enough proofs of our cohabitation during this time due to we do not have a rental agreement to show.

^^^^^^^^ I made it nice and easy to read for you seeing as your hard of hearing. Really you are a clown for constantly bringing up the topic...

5. 6degress is still a roll of toilet paper no matter what way you slide that topic... even though it's free I still want my money back.

6. Putting all of this ridiculousness aside, there are still umteen things that OP has yet to clarify. But without proof he/she doesn't have much chance. They can always try though as I said.

[melpomene6]

Well I am not sure if they count the time that you are/were on a student visa into your actual RP application. IIRC they do count some time but not all.

In general terms if you aren't an EU citizen then you need to marry. Unless you can prove 2 years cohabitation. But you say that you have no proof of this except for what is in your head.

A student visa isn't supposed to be a stepping stone to actually being able to live in Finland. You are merely studying and that is what you said you would do when you submitted your application for that visa.

If you have not been living together (on paper) then you have no chance, you may even have less than that because you have been a student, not staying in Finland with them actually KNOWING that you are cohabitation. Because you are registered as a student. If you want to do these things you need to go by the book. Which it sounds like you have not been doing at all.

Either way it might not work out well because you can't really use a student or WH visa or any visa in general as a stepping stone to getting a permit. Which is why they may or may not count it towards you getting an RP.

Also, if your visa is valid for the entire time of your masters study and you are obviously half way through it. You can't just fall in love when you start to run out of money, then apply for an RP and go from being a student who pays, to being a student who is paid. So if that is your idea, get that out of your head now. You should have gotten an RP in the first place. This is the feeling I get when you say that it is URGENT that you transfer from a student visa to an RP, it just sounds like you want to qualify for government money.

EDIT: After reading this thread: http://finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f ... 79#p393679

I am sort of unsure as to what visa you are on now... did you come here as a student? If so why were you trying to open a business? Lastly you are from Colombia which isn't exactly on the 'safe' list when it comes to granting permits. If you can't prove your cohabitation and your relationship looks like it is purely for financial gain then you're just wasting your time.

Hello and thanks for taking your time to answer my question.
I find your advice rude and I think you did not understood correctly what I was asking for. I am not hoping any monetary help from the Finnish government and I am not inventing a relationship to get a different residence permit. As I said in my inquiry I need tips in making this process smoother so the police does not doubt that my partner and I have been living together for that time, which I find humiliating and racist from any point of view. If the "urgent" label has any meaning I think is not your business and I find very irrespectful and rude from your side to take your time to search if I have been doing X or Y things in Finland, thats quite sick dude!. I am student of a Master degree in a University in Finland and of course I am trying to get a living in here like a normal person does to support my partner.... I think if you want to help someone in this forum you should leave your suppositions and judgement away and answer what people is asking for.

[melpomene6]

Well I am not sure if they count the time that you are/were on a student visa into your actual RP application. IIRC they do count some time but not all.

In general terms if you aren't an EU citizen then you need to marry. Unless you can prove 2 years cohabitation. But you say that you have no proof of this except for what is in your head.

A student visa isn't supposed to be a stepping stone to actually being able to live in Finland. You are merely studying and that is what you said you would do when you submitted your application for that visa.

If you have not been living together (on paper) then you have no chance, you may even have less than that because you have been a student, not staying in Finland with them actually KNOWING that you are cohabitation. Because you are registered as a student. If you want to do these things you need to go by the book. Which it sounds like you have not been doing at all.

Either way it might not work out well because you can't really use a student or WH visa or any visa in general as a stepping stone to getting a permit. Which is why they may or may not count it towards you getting an RP.

Also, if your visa is valid for the entire time of your masters study and you are obviously half way through it. You can't just fall in love when you start to run out of money, then apply for an RP and go from being a student who pays, to being a student who is paid. So if that is your idea, get that out of your head now. You should have gotten an RP in the first place. This is the feeling I get when you say that it is URGENT that you transfer from a student visa to an RP, it just sounds like you want to qualify for government money.

EDIT: After reading this thread: http://finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f ... 79#p393679

I am sort of unsure as to what visa you are on now... did you come here as a student? If so why were you trying to open a business? Lastly you are from Colombia which isn't exactly on the 'safe' list when it comes to granting permits. If you can't prove your cohabitation and your relationship looks like it is purely for financial gain then you're just wasting your time.

Like seriously? What has the Op done to deserve this whole thing you just poured out. He simply asked for help how he can convert probably to a continous residence permit A instead of the temporary B he has now.

If you think you should be applauded for always asserting that non EU students are here to milk Finland is sheer disrespect for these people.

If you have ever lived with someone for three years, do you ever wish to let go of her or him just because your studies have finished? The Op is only trying to ask for a possibility on what is obtainable at law.

Why are you scared of letting people be in Finland? Will it reduce your government support? I bet not. Offer constructive advice and not just criticize if you have nothing to offer. I think the moderators on this forum should be fair.

I wonder why this Australian

Integration is a myth Karl is a highly-qualified professional who craves to work and contribute to Finnish society. As a non-EU citizen he’s found that harder to achieve than it sounds.

... http://www.sixdegrees.fi/6d/index.php/f ... o-citizens sold all his properties in the U.S worth 80.000euros just to later end up pursuing a student visa in Finland?. Not only third world citizens should be attacked for wanting to live in Finland. You also have some dirt in your pocket backyard to tidy before you can jump on innocent people living their lives while you chasing shadows on a faceless forum.

And to the Op,

I am sure someone has been in a similar situation and will give you proper advice rather than the hostility you have received already.

Thanks you very much for your support. I want to do everything right and have a normal living in this place, which is already hard as you can see when people behave like this when you ask for help.


Thanks a lot,

[melpomene6]

Dear OP
I have heard of cases where a non EU citizen has been in cohabitation while he is here in Finland as a student. It is possible for you to apply for a TYPE A residence permit from the POLICE Service Point of your resident municipality.
But there are certain facts which is really necessary for you to understand before applying...

1. You should be able to show a minimum of EUR900 per month for yourself as a means of your living in Finland if your partner is not a Finnish citizen. (This condition also applies to the partner of an another EU citizen)
2. You should be able to show a rental/lease agreement which is at least 2 years old. The agreement should clearly list the names of you and your partner along with the date of commencement and termination of your agreement.
3. If you and your Partner has been living together but you cannot prove your cohabitation with an agreement then you should go seek an immediate help from the Police Service point. They might help you with other alternatives. (Please take your partner with you, she might be of a little help if she speaks Finnish and can answer the questions regarding your relationship). I think your(both your and your partner's) monthly credit card statement (if any) addressed to a common place of residence might help. (But I'm not sure).
5. If you and your partner were residing in the University's residence hall in a common room try contacting the proper authorities who are in charge of the Residence hall and see if they can certify your living together.(I think it may be possible cause they keep necessary record of all the residents in the residence hall)
4. Last but not the least, you should be well prepared to get grounded in Finland until you get your RP when and even if all other conditions are satisfied. It may take a while or ages

Best regards and Good luck!!

Hello:

Thanks a lot for your information, I am very glad to know that my partner and I are eligible to apply for a different residence permit. Thanks for your clarifications they helped have everything clearer.

[rinso]

In general terms if you aren't an EU citizen then you need to marry. Unless you can prove 2 years cohabitation. But you say that you have no proof of this except for what is in your head.

A student visa isn't supposed to be a stepping stone to actually being able to live in Finland. You are merely studying and that is what you said you would do when you submitted your application for that visa.

If you have not been living together (on paper) then you have no chance, you may even have less than that because you have been a student, not staying in Finland with them actually KNOWING that you are cohabitation. Because you are registered as a student. If you want to do these things you need to go by the book. Which it sounds like you have not been doing at all.

I find your advice rude and I think you did not understood correctly what I was asking for. I am not hoping any monetary help from the Finnish government and I am not inventing a relationship to get a different residence permit. As I said in my inquiry I need tips in making this process smoother so the police does not doubt that my partner and I have been living together for that time.

The way Kutittaa approaches your question is an indication how some people dealing with your application might think. It doesn't matter what your intentions are, but how they are perceived.
And there are Finns who hate all foreigners, even in official positions.

[Karhunkoski]

I want to do everything right and have a normal living in this place

"Doing everything right" is a good way to act in Finland But you might want to start by not trying to run a business when you're on a student visa, because that's not really "doing everything right", it's breaking the conditions of your visa? The second piece of advice is not to write all about it on a public forum, you never know who is reading There aren't going to be many 25 year old Colombian ladies, applying for RPs in Helsinki this year

[Kutittaa]

I am not hoping any monetary help from the Finnish government and I am not inventing a relationship to get a different residence permit.

But your relationship is not 'on the paper' so obviously to anyone, including people here on the forums it looks like you could be inventing your relationship. This is not the fault of anyone who perceives your application or your situation, this is due to you being lazy and not having the correct documentation.

As I said in my inquiry I need tips in making this process smoother so the police does not doubt that my partner and I have been living together for that time, which I find humiliating and racist from any point of view.

The process will not be smooth at all without proof of cohabitation. You can marry, or you can finish out your visa and leave. Those are your options if you do not have proof of cohabitation. Simple as that.

If the "urgent" label has any meaning I think is not your business and I find very irrespectful and rude from your side to take your time to search if I have been doing X or Y things in Finland, thats quite sick dude!.

For starters, you posted that information. Secondly, to make it easier to understand people in the forums, almost all of us do a quick look at a persons previous posts if he or she forgets to mention something, or if it is hard to understand him/her. Don´t kid yourself thinking that you are getting ´special´ attention. Lastly, as another said, YOU trying to open a business on the wrong visa is sneaky so don´t point the finger at me!

I think if you want to help someone in this forum you should leave your suppositions and judgement away and answer what people is asking for.

Don´t mistake kindness for weakness. I do not want to help lazy ass slackers like YOU get into the country so you can go from being someone who pays to being someone who is paid. Especially if you were so lazy that you didn´t bother to get proof of cohabitation over a total of 3 years. If you wanted to live here with your partner you should have entered Finland with that intention on paper, we can´t read minds, no one can, and no official is going to just believe everything from your mouth without any sort of proof to back it up. Grow up, instead of pointing the finger at people because you aren´t happy with the advice you at getting, either do the hard work yourself or fulfill the prerequisites the first time around so you don´t have to run into situations like this in the future. Simple as that.

Oh, and I´m not a mule. So don´t tell me how to behave, you´re getting free advice.

[Rip]

If one would ask from Magistrate office, would their records indicate you were living in the same address or not?
(and I do wonder how can somebody at the same time both understand problems are caused by their own lacking paperwork AND blame it on racism.)

[Pursuivant]

If one would aika from Magistrate office, would their records indicate you were living in the same address or not?

Well yes, in olden days one could also get a "talonkirjaote" from the caretaker, but the maistraatti records show where people "live" officially.

[melpomene6]

Ok, thanks everybody for the help. I received the info I needed. thanks for your time to answer.

[Tiwaz]

In your quest for excuse, you will be quick to conclude that 6degrees is a pile of rubbish for publishing a story about someone from your country who desperately needs a student visa in Finland for bachelors degree? Don't make me cry!

Too bad for Karl. He desperately needs something, but Finland DOES NOT NEED KARL! Finland isn't some kind of @#$% international red cross with requirement to give everyone everything they "desperately need".

Our country, our rules. Suck it up sunshine.

[Zwagger]

Too bad for Karl. He desperately needs something, but Finland DOES NOT NEED KARL! Finland isn't some kind of @#$% international red cross with requirement to give everyone everything they "desperately need".

Our country, our rules. Suck it up sunshine.

Unfortunately, crossing the borders of one's own country to a foreign one has been in existence before i was born. I can't stop it. Remember, everybody moves for a reason. And for that reason, as far as i am concerned is not of anyone to tell you and you have nothing to do about it as well. I bet the best you can do in this Ops case is to file a legal complaint for someone breaking the rules of Finland. I am sure you will be happy thereafter. Or better still, if the Ops filing for citizenship in Finland in some years time, i wonder what you will feel like then? Too bad!

[Rip]

Unfortunately, crossing the borders of one's own country to a foreign one has been in existence before i was born.

But neither was immigration free then or is it now. Nor can it be free to at least any country that isn't either complete disaster zone (A) that practically nobody wants to live in or a libertarian ideal (B) where the state offers nothing to those who are not productive members of the society.

(Failed stated of the type (A) more or less exist, advanced states of the type (B) while I can sort of like imagine as a theoretical possibility I don't think exist anywhere in practice. If you remove the words 'advanced' and 'ideal' then (A) becomes of course a subgroup of (B))

[onkko]

Unfortunately, crossing the borders of one's own country to a foreign one has been in existence before i was born.

But neither was immigration free then or is it now. Nor can it be free to at least any country that isn't either complete disaster zone (A) that practically nobody wants to live in or a libertarian ideal (B) where the state offers nothing to those who are not productive members of the society.

(Failed stated of the type (A) more or less exist, advanced states of the type (B) while I can sort of like imagine as a theoretical possibility I don't think exist anywhere in practice. If you remove the words 'advanced' and 'ideal' then (A) becomes of course a subgroup of (B))

Bu But!!! Birds fly over borders! (c) kimmo kiljunen