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Re: Microwave combi oven and grill

Post by sinikala » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:26 pm

simon wrote:
sinikala wrote:No they don't, that's why they are called disposable. I ordered a load of packs of MachIII blades online from the UK last year, even with P&P it was a fraction of the cost of buying in Finland.

Where was that from..?

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Can't remember the name offhand and binned the receipt. It was a UK firm. I was a bit wary as I'd read about counterfeit blades being sold online, but these seemed ok. You pays your money and takes your chance etc. ... might be a thread on here, I'll have a look.

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their website has gone, so I suppose they went out of business :?:


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Post by Tiwaz » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:29 am

Mook wrote:So how does your "urbanisation" theory explain that there are high prices in Helsinki-Espoo-Vantaa?
Yes, when put into context that it is still one tiny splot of land with enormously high expenses. Everyone wants there (don't ask me why... wouldn't live there even if I was paid to) and thus rents etc go through the roof.
The point is that the price difference is huge. The likes of Lidl and Verkkokauppa have evened things up a lot, but for many products the prices are still silly. What would be the price of ibruprofen or a bottle of vodka if little were allowed to sell it?
Most likely lower. And they would also be far more abused. I want to see all pharmaceuticals only sold by qualified professionals. Not some "Kesä-apulaisen-varalomittaja" at local market.

Same for alcohol. Harder it is made to get alcohol, the better for all I care.

Lidl in turn has huge chain of profitable stores in Germany to cover the losses or low profits from Finland. And the benefit that they can order crapload of some !"#¤% from abroad and ship miniscule portion of it to Finland to still have some margin of profit.

How is Stockman, S-market or K-market going to pull that off?

It's basic economics. Not that hard.

Only idiot presumes that land with so totally different conditions could have in any way similar prices as UK or Belgium.

To sell at those prices, Finnis retail would have to make huge losses.

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Post by riku2 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:59 pm

there are other things that are highly priced in finland, but not because of economics.

I don't see why I should pay a subsidy to finnish musicians when I buy blank DVD's to save my photos on. What have those musicians got to do with me taking photos with my camera !!
So i've bought plenty of blank DVD's and CD's from the UK and Greece to avoid paying several times as much in finland.

Foreigners landing in finland might not realise which products are hugely overpriced because of strange things like this blank media levy.

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Post by Pursuivant » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:08 pm

I've got a stash of my dad's gillettes, the old "razorblade" razors, which I use. Other than that I use a philishave - the rotating blades are cheapest bought off the net - I've not even seen them sold anywhere that I paid any attention. Then again the"Jouni Hynynen" -look explains what you do if you think its too expensive nevermind the barbers. ;)
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Post by Karhunkoski » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:31 pm

Pursuivant wrote:I've got a stash of my dad's gillettes
But you had a beard :?: So those blades will quite possibly be passed on to Purse junior?
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Post by Pursuivant » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:36 pm

gillettes for pubes
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Post by Mook » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:13 pm

Tiwaz wrote: I want to see all pharmaceuticals only sold by qualified professionals. Not some "Kesä-apulaisen-varalomittaja" at local market.
Come on. Anything particularly dangerous needs a prescription from your doctor. Even if the pharmacists did advise/control you can always visit a few pharmacies in a row - cough medicine anyone.

(Unless, of course, the whole thing is some sort of hack/workaround on the Finnish mentality to stop you killing yourselves (or make you visit the doctor when you otherwise wouldn't)
Tiwaz wrote:
Lidl in turn has huge chain of profitable stores in Germany to cover the losses or low profits from Finland. And the benefit that they can order crapload of some !"#¤% from abroad and ship miniscule portion of it to Finland to still have some margin of profit.

How is Stockman, S-market or K-market going to pull that off?

It's basic economics. Not that hard.

Only idiot presumes that land with so totally different conditions could have in any way similar prices as UK or Belgium.

To sell at those prices, Finnish retail would have to make huge losses.
If you were a buyer for a big chain then I might believe you - but I doubt it.

All the stuff you wrote is another of these myths that everyone here believes. How about more basic economics - "the price is what the market can bear". As an example, Finland has the cheapest cars in Europe (before taxes); are Finns ordering so many new cars as to make them cheaper?

Another example: when we had our second child we identified the pram (lastenvaunu) that we wanted and priced it up - the shop in Lauttasaari selling it wanted 1000 Euros for all the bits. I managed to find it from a small shop (not a chain) in the UK for around 600 (including postage).

As I said, Verkkokauppa, Lidl and it seems specsaver are starting to break the monopolies, but I guess it'll take some time...
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Post by Bavarian » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:51 am

Tiwaz wrote:
Mook wrote:The point is that the price difference is huge. The likes of Lidl and Verkkokauppa have evened things up a lot, but for many products the prices are still silly. What would be the price of ibruprofen or a bottle of vodka if little were allowed to sell it?
Most likely lower. And they would also be far more abused. I want to see all pharmaceuticals only sold by qualified professionals. Not some "Kesä-apulaisen-varalomittaja" at local market.
And yet, experience in countries that have drugs like ibuprofen or aspirin sold in supermarkets doesn't seem to show that it's more abused.

Here in the States, the one drug that was restricted was allergy/cold medicines with pseudoephedrine, because our wicked lawmakers bought into the scare stories about people going to grocery stores and buying up tons of packs of pills to make meth in home breweries. So, they forced you to sign a register for it, and will go after people who buy the wrong amount (if, say, it's an amount suitable for a family).

Not that this has cut down on the amount of meth; it's all coming in from Mexico. But the wicked politicians, despite seeing their law not working, show no desire to admit they were wrong.

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Post by Bavarian » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:54 am

Apologies for the double post; my ISP burped while I was trying to post and I got server errors.

Is there any way to delete posts? I don't see a link for that anywhere.

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Post by Tiwaz » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:14 pm

Mook wrote: Come on. Anything particularly dangerous needs a prescription from your doctor. Even if the pharmacists did advise/control you can always visit a few pharmacies in a row - cough medicine anyone.
Yes, if you insist you can end up screwed. But I guess you are missing your own comment here... Even if pharmacist advices/controls...

After that point, it is your own willfull negligence which hurts you.
With stores, it can be your (and salespersons) ignorance.

If you were a buyer for a big chain then I might believe you - but I doubt it.

All the stuff you wrote is another of these myths that everyone here believes. How about more basic economics - "the price is what the market can bear". As an example, Finland has the cheapest cars in Europe (before taxes); are Finns ordering so many new cars as to make them cheaper?
Or is this because of how elsewhere cars are taxed?
Another example: when we had our second child we identified the pram (lastenvaunu) that we wanted and priced it up - the shop in Lauttasaari selling it wanted 1000 Euros for all the bits. I managed to find it from a small shop (not a chain) in the UK for around 600 (including postage).
And you have not grasped that your small shop in UK will be in immediate vicinity of few million potential customers.

For big store that particular store is around 1 million, at best. With high expenses.

You clearly have little grasp of running any kind of business.
As I said, Verkkokauppa, Lidl and it seems specsaver are starting to break the monopolies, but I guess it'll take some time...
Nah. They can try to get bigger marketshare, but if they want to start making profit, they have to hike up the prices. Verkkokauppa for one is not exactly cheap.

Lidl & Specsavers is just about big chain from abroad trying to grab marketshare so they even might sell at loss, or take advantage of large purchases of rest of the chain to get stuff little cheaper.

Lidl buys crap X for amount of 2000 containers and sends few to Finland. Even with losses from trasnsportation it can be little cheaper than purchase of 200 containers for Finland limited storechain.


Like said, you foreigners just do not grasp that this is not UK or Germany. Assuming same things apply is, in short, stupid.

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Post by Mook » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:06 pm

Tiwaz wrote:
Mook wrote: Come on. Anything particularly dangerous needs a prescription from your doctor. Even if the pharmacists did advise/control you can always visit a few pharmacies in a row - cough medicine anyone.
Yes, if you insist you can end up screwed. But I guess you are missing your own comment here... Even if pharmacist advices/controls...

After that point, it is your own willfull negligence which hurts you.
With stores, it can be your (and salespersons) ignorance.
The UK supermarkets control the amount of drugs that you can buy. (you can do it electronically using the cash register...)
Tiwaz wrote:
If you were a buyer for a big chain then I might believe you - but I doubt it.

All the stuff you wrote is another of these myths that everyone here believes. How about more basic economics - "the price is what the market can bear". As an example, Finland has the cheapest cars in Europe (before taxes); are Finns ordering so many new cars as to make them cheaper?
Or is this because of how elsewhere cars are taxed?
nope. This is price comparison before taxes.
Tiwaz wrote:
Another example: when we had our second child we identified the pram (lastenvaunu) that we wanted and priced it up - the shop in Lauttasaari selling it wanted 1000 Euros for all the bits. I managed to find it from a small shop (not a chain) in the UK for around 600 (including postage).
And you have not grasped that your small shop in UK will be in immediate vicinity of few million potential customers.

For big store that particular store is around 1 million, at best. With high expenses.

You clearly have little grasp of running any kind of business.
The shop I ordered from is in the county of Hampshire, whose population is only 1.2 million.
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As I said, Verkkokauppa, Lidl and it seems specsaver are starting to break the monopolies, but I guess it'll take some time...
Nah. They can try to get bigger marketshare, but if they want to start making profit, they have to hike up the prices. Verkkokauppa for one is not exactly cheap.
Not any cheaper than, say amazon.co.uk

Tiwaz wrote: Lidl & Specsavers is just about big chain from abroad trying to grab marketshare so they even might sell at loss, or take advantage of large purchases of rest of the chain to get stuff little cheaper.

Lidl buys crap X for amount of 2000 containers and sends few to Finland. Even with losses from trasnsportation it can be little cheaper than purchase of 200 containers for Finland limited storechain.


Like said, you foreigners just do not grasp that this is not UK or Germany. Assuming same things apply is, in short, stupid.
*sigh*

These places don't sell at a lost; they just don't have the stupid Finn markup. As I said, it's ingrained in your culture - you've been programmed to believe it. So, go ahead continue to shop at k-market, instrumentarium and musta-porssi. Carry on paying too much... hell, with VAT at 22% it'll maybe keep my taxes down a bit 8)
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Post by Rosamunda » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:30 pm

it's 23%

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Post by Upphew » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:43 pm

Mook wrote:
Tiwaz wrote:Verkkokauppa for one is not exactly cheap.
Not any cheaper than, say amazon.co.uk
No really. Verkkokauppa is not cheap anymore. You can find almost everything they sell cheaper from some other webshop.
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Post by Tiwaz » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:19 am

Mook wrote:The UK supermarkets control the amount of drugs that you can buy. (you can do it electronically using the cash register...)
So what is your issue? That you have to walk to separate pharmacy for same restrictions and professional staff?

Which countries healthcare system you would rather trust your life with?
UK or Finnish?
nope. This is price comparison before taxes.
All taxes?
The shop I ordered from is in the county of Hampshire, whose population is only 1.2 million.
And Hampshire is how far from nearest city with say 2 million inhabitants?

*sigh*

These places don't sell at a lost; they just don't have the stupid Finn markup. As I said, it's ingrained in your culture - you've been programmed to believe it. So, go ahead continue to shop at k-market, instrumentarium and musta-porssi. Carry on paying too much... hell, with VAT at 22% it'll maybe keep my taxes down a bit 8)
I think you just do not have a clue and you do not want to have a clue...

That "stupid Finn markup" is due to LIMITED MARKETS!
Get this into your thick head, Lidl has massive chain in Germany. K&S-chains... DO NOT!

Lidl can order crap fow WHOLE @#$% CHAIN TO GET LOWER PRICES.
K&S-chains, even when buying for whole chain, can never get that high bulks.

Thus, Lidl pays for everything it buys little less, enabling them to move some of them mass purchased junk to Finland for cheaper and still make some profit.

Deny Lidl ability to take advantage of chain support from abroad and it would either go bankrupt or hike prices to level of K&S-chains.

Have I explained principal difference of huge international chain and small local chain clearly enough to get through to you?

You are comparing store chain which has in Germany alone over 3000 stores to chain which does not reach even 1000 stores. (S-chain, only markets counted).

Lidl also has in France over 1300 stores. UK about 500 and so forth and so forth.

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Post by Mook » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:56 am

Tiwaz wrote:Which countries healthcare system you would rather trust your life with?
UK or Finnish?
The healthcare in the UK is still free. Unlike here where you always end up paying 200 euros and hour to see a specialist. The father-in-law spent 1000 euros last month on medicine for a lung clot.

Tiwaz wrote:
The shop I ordered from is in the county of Hampshire, whose population is only 1.2 million.
And Hampshire is how far from nearest city with say 2 million inhabitants?
And big cities have even bigger shops. Why travel 100km to go to a small shop?
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