LPG - Autogas - fuel stations in Finland

[jeepyj96]

Hi,

where I can find an LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas) fuel stations overview in Finland ?

Thank you in advance for your help

[maniek 77]

With my best knowledge the nearest LPG stations are in Stockholm, Tallin and Sankt Petergsburg .
Suomi-LPG free country

[MikeD]

Yup, CNG is available at some filling stations, LPG is not (to fuel vehicles, that is).

[Upphew]

Yup, CNG is available at some filling stations, LPG is not (to fuel vehicles, that is).

LPG car would be quite expensive... http://www.ake.fi/AKE/Verotus/Polttoain ... voista.htm

[jeepyj96]

not good - I thought Finland was innovative - or have finnish people too much money

[Mook]

not good - I thought Finland was innovative - or have finnish people too much money

the cost of fuel for all vehicles is mostly tax - not the actual cost for the fuel.

As for innovation, the current strategy seems to be towards biofuel, which can be produces locally from domestic waste (rather than taken from Finland's vast gas/oil fields). As I understood there'll be a larger E85 rollout next year (but as soon as it's popular it'll be taxed up just like the rest)

[CH]

not good - I thought Finland was innovative - or have finnish people too much money

Well... diesel is the fuel used here when one wants a cheaper alternative.

It's a matter of chicken and the egg. For people to convert cars to use an alternative fuel there needs to be enough of gas stations that offer that fuel. But on the other hand, for the gas stations to start building that network there needs to be customers. Have you taken a look on the Finnish map? Quite a task setting up a reasonable coverage, especially as there seems to be a lot of "alternative fuels" coming up at the moment. So, should they start supporting all and expect at least some to fail (expensive!), or just choose one or two and make a bigger effort to support those (still expensive, but hopefully profitable at some point)?

One could of course set up a few stations in the bigger cities to support whatever foreigner is driving through. But on the other hand, are there that many tourists coming by car to even Helsinki, to work as an insentive for the gas stations to set up pumps for "exotic" fuel.

[Rosamunda]

While I was at Espoo Ciné I noticed that at least one of the car parks in Tapiola has free plug-in posts for electric cars. OK, so you have to pay the parking fee but it's not as expensive as in Helsinki and I believe it fills the municipality's coffers, not some private company's balance sheet. Finland is investing big time in electricity (most of it nuclear).

Neste Oil (Finnish company) produces NExBTL which is a non-fossil diesel fuel that can be made from pretty much anything (McDo waste, candy factory waste etc) http://www.nesteoil.fi/default.asp?path ... 1993,12252
They have built a state of the art refinery in Porvoo, S. Finland and others around the world. They have got a lot of bad press (using palm oil in the Far East) but anyway. I use it in my car, it's the cheapest diesel in my area (Neste Express on Kuitinmäentie in Olari).

What is so innovative about LPG? The French and the Italians have been running cars on it for over 20 years???

[jeepyj96]

[AldenG]

But is that production+distribution cost or consumer price? As others have mentioned, consumer price mostly reflects tax policy. Thus LPG may be good for an individual consumer, but is it truly "innovative" in the sense of being the most rational path forward from a big-picture perspective? I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just asking if the graph is any kind of evidence for the notion. Even a production-cost graph would need to be adjusted to include costs that are normally externalized, if it were to reflect the overall cost and benefit to a nation.

[jeepyj96]

final consumer price