The cops

[merenneito]

Mostly people trust the police in here, so it would be really odd behavior here to avoid showing your home or your car to the police...I think it would really make them suspicious, which would make them want to investigate more... About your police relative then, why would you want to put him in a situation where he has to choose whether to arrest you/ investigate further, because that is his duty and at the same time I'm sure he doesn't want to do that (or maybe he does, you never know . I have few police friends and the simple solution would be to not discuss any illegal activities with them, like speeding for example, if you had done such activities, or discuss them in a general level. I'm sure my police friends suspect that some of their friends have done some things that are against the law, but they don't necessarily want to know more than guessing. They are not overly eager to bust their friends, but if the situation comes and the crime is serious enough, I don't think they would hesitate for a moment. Best example of this might be drunk driving...I think they would have no mercy or hesitation and that is the way it should be too

[Upphew]

Mostly people trust the police in here, so it would be really odd behavior here to avoid showing your home or your car to the police...I think it would really make them suspicious, which would make them want to investigate more...

I somewhat trust the police, but that doesn't mean I would let them into my apartment without questioning them first and checking their id. Them wanting to check me out makes me suspicious and annoyed. And it would be wise to question the actions of the police, you don't have to hinder their work, but who watches the watchers if you don't do it? I'm quite annoyed about the fact that courts find things in favour of police in he-said-she-said situations.

[raskarhu]

Mostly people trust the police in here, so it would be really odd behavior here to avoid showing your home or your car to the police...I think it would really make them suspicious, which would make them want to investigate more...

A healthy suspicion of cops is an inherent part of a democracy. I find it quite unsettling the idea that a cop can enter my house under the (false?) pretext that some neighbour thinks I'm being too loud or that I do not fit into the neigbourhood, or that I pee in my plants or whatever.
Has Finland never heard of the Habeas Corpus and the Magna Charta and so on?

I'd say: never let a cop intrude your house like that. Especially not, when some redneck neighbour is having so called complaints. What the heck if the cops are pissed and suspicious about me not letting them in? Let them call the public prosecutor for a serach warrant, but without such a document no police should be able to freely wander into my house; not in a democratic country at least.

[Upphew]

Mostly people trust the police in here, so it would be really odd behavior here to avoid showing your home or your car to the police...I think it would really make them suspicious, which would make them want to investigate more...

A healthy suspicion of cops is an inherent part of a democracy. I find it quite unsettling the idea that a cop can enter my house under the (false?) pretext that some neighbour thinks I'm being too loud or that I do not fit into the neigbourhood, or that I pee in my plants or whatever.
Has Finland never heard of the Habeas Corpus and the Magna Charta and so on?

No need for Habeas Corpus as the pakkokeinolaki already defines how long people can be detained or arrested without procecution.
Magna Carta took the power from the king iirc... we've done the same to our president already.

Police won't rush in if you make noise, unless you are unwilling to tone it down. They won't necessarily even ring your doorbell if you are already quiet when they arrive, as people tend to guess wrong which apartment is the culprit. But if they smell weed when they are behind your door, they most likely will check the smell.

Or as in the las episode of Poliisit that I saw: call that there is fight in apartment, shouts for help etc. Cops arrive, see broken window, locate the apartment, hear snoring, skeleton key won't work -> they leave the scene. Granted they could have gone through the door, but didn't, they probably would have gone if they would have heard the fight continuing.

I'd say: never let a cop intrude your house like that. Especially not, when some redneck neighbour is having so called complaints. What the heck if the cops are pissed and suspicious about me not letting them in? Let them call the public prosecutor for a serach warrant, but without such a document no police should be able to freely wander into my house; not in a democratic country at least.

They don't need any document, just authorization from high enough official, be it police or prosecutor, both can give it.

[Jukka Aho]

Police brutality:

• Nuori virtsasi poliisiauton päälle keskiyöllä — kepeä seuraamus

(He was fined!)

[EP]

Is that someway differenr from http://greensmoke.fi/

[Pursuivant]

About going into the flat... Poliisi iloitsi pontikankeittajasta
the police were doing a routine "information mission" which means you get a court summons or something like that delivered in person... and moonshine does give a "whiff"... so they might have been going to another flat in the house alltogether.... ding-dong whats that smell?

[merenneito]

To be more clear, of course I'd want to know why they want to search my home and that they are real cops. But if they give me a good reason, I'd have no problem with it. If I was wrong about people generally trusting the cops here, I stand corrected. It has seemed that way to me so far that people trust them. Personally I've never heard my friends or people I know complaining about police behavior, but that of course doesn't mean it wouldn't exist and I agree that we should keep an eye on them as a nation. That said, I still think that if a police knocks at your door and you refuse to open it, or the first thing you say is "I won't let you in here", it will be really suspicious

[EP]

If I was wrong about people generally trusting the cops here, I stand corrected.

You were not wrong. Quite recently there was a poll, and the most trusted institution in people´s minds was the police. I am just afraid that it will suffer when their funding in constantly cut.

[onkko]

IIRC, cant be arsed to check. 90% trust on cops and military and i have to say they arent wrong.

[tizlit]

I do not know whether it has been mentioned previously, but normally the police patrols, if looking for someone, eg. knocking at your door, they patrol in pairs, ie. 2 policemen. This happened to someone I know, they came knocking the door nearly down, looking for a previous tenant, who has a criminal record, and who did not change or delete his address from maistraati and the population registry.
By the way, there is existing some kind of secret police, who do follow certain persons. This is a fact.

[CH]

By the way, there is existing some kind of secret police

Wouldn't call them exactly secret, but.. Supo.

[Pursuivant]

And of course you have your plainclothes detectives, drug squad doing stakeouts etc.Just like in the "big world".

[Upphew]

Question.. Has anyone ever heard of anyone being caught using "decorative spray-on snow" to conceal their numberplate?

Decorative snow, dirt, whatever. When you start to drive the plates must be readable. Failure -> fine.

edit.
"Asetus
ajoneuvojen rekisteröinnistä annetun asetuksen muuttamisesta
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34 §
Rekisterikilpien kiinnitys ja käyttö
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4. Rekisterikilvet on pidettävä sellaisessa kunnossa, että rekisteritunnus on liikenteessä vaikeudetta luettavissa."
-> you stop to clear the plates every now and then or you get fined.

[Tiwaz]

A healthy suspicion of cops is an inherent part of a democracy. I find it quite unsettling the idea that a cop can enter my house under the (false?) pretext that some neighbour thinks I'm being too loud or that I do not fit into the neigbourhood, or that I pee in my plants or whatever.

Your neighbor has right to not be disturbed in his/her home by you being excessively loud.

Has Finland never heard of the Habeas Corpus and the Magna Charta and so on?

How about educating yourself about Finnish legal system instead of spewing Anglo stupidity.

I'd say: never let a cop intrude your house like that. Especially not, when some redneck neighbour is having so called complaints. What the heck if the cops are pissed and suspicious about me not letting them in? Let them call the public prosecutor for a serach warrant, but without such a document no police should be able to freely wander into my house; not in a democratic country at least.

More Anglo stupidity. No such warrants exist in Finland, get that to your thick head.
No, you will not get jury of your peers either when dragged to court.


Honestly... I am sometimes so annoyed by English speaking world presuming that everyone else must do things like they do.