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harryc
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Elephant in the room

Post by harryc » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:04 am

The elephant in the room - for me - is why is this a major NEWS item? And what's the nonsense about a 'surprise?' Hype City.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9838986

The 'new' items are an integral part of ANY economics academic program anywhere - and have been - in Finland, as well.

In essence - Much to do about nothing.

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I also don't understand the emphasis on the program being meant to further the Finnish-language teaching in these areas.

I'm all for preserving and developing Finnish but I'm not understanding the emphasis here.

Students HAVE to be able to know the world literature for these subjects and THEIR WORK must be subject to 'peer criticism' globally.

Of course - emphasizing Finnish will make it more possible for the Finnish researchers to hide under a rock - or even invent the 'Finnish wheel'



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Re: Elephant in the room

Post by Upphew » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:58 am

harryc wrote:The elephant in the room - for me - is why is this a major NEWS item? And what's the nonsense about a 'surprise?' Hype City.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9838986

The 'new' items are an integral part of ANY economics academic program anywhere - and have been - in Finland, as well.

In essence - Much to do about nothing.

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I also don't understand the emphasis on the program being meant to further the Finnish-language teaching in these areas.

I'm all for preserving and developing Finnish but I'm not understanding the emphasis here.

Students HAVE to be able to know the world literature for these subjects and THEIR WORK must be subject to 'peer criticism' globally.

Of course - emphasizing Finnish will make it more possible for the Finnish researchers to hide under a rock - or even invent the 'Finnish wheel'
They need people with economic know-how that can be recruited to governmental positions. Thus the need for people who speak the relevant language. Not sure how you put emphasis on the Finnish-language stuff when the name of the unit will be Helsinki Graduate School of Economics. That is the name, I didn't translate it.
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Re: Elephant in the room

Post by harryc » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:13 pm

Sure - researchers should also be proficient in Finnish if they are going to work in govenment or otherwise be in professional positions with contact with the general Finnish populace - but I do not see the need for a heightened skill in Finnish in regard to the content of the subjects.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'name' - as Finns in marketing departments throw English around in a completely willy-nilly manner :) - and often it has Nada significance.


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Re: Elephant in the room

Post by Upphew » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:44 pm

harryc wrote:Sure - researchers should also be proficient in Finnish if they are going to work in govenment or otherwise be in professional positions with contact with the general Finnish populace - but I do not see the need for a heightened skill in Finnish in regard to the content of the subjects.
Maybe Liikanen sees. Or maybe that was just a point that journo picked up from his comments. After reading second time that article, I still cant see any significant emphasis on Finnish language.
harryc wrote:I wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'name' - as Finns in marketing departments throw English around in a completely willy-nilly manner :) - and often it has Nada significance.
Can't argue with that... I still remember vividly "Lets' go Intersportiin... Let's go!". Good ole 80s, when I didn't know English at all.

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Re: Elephant in the room

Post by harryc » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:27 pm

I still cant see any significant emphasis on Finnish language.

Pääjohtaja Erkki Liikanen sanoi tilaisuudessa, että Suomi tarvitsee lisää suomenkielisiä (emphasis mine - HC) huipputaloustieteilijöitä, joita yksiköstä on luvassa.


The institution is in Finland - so why bother mentioing if the language issue wasn't relevant?


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Re: Elephant in the room

Post by Manfromnorth » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:01 am

harryc wrote:
I still cant see any significant emphasis on Finnish language.

Pääjohtaja Erkki Liikanen sanoi tilaisuudessa, että Suomi tarvitsee lisää suomenkielisiä (emphasis mine - HC) huipputaloustieteilijöitä, joita yksiköstä on luvassa.


The institution is in Finland - so why bother mentioing if the language issue wasn't relevant?
The news flash is cutting corners a little. What LIikanen said is when Bank of Finland looks for top finance (doctor level) experts, they rarely get applications from people with fluent FInnish, and they would welcome more of those. That's why Bank of Finland sees this important and is involved. The main reason is Finland is heavily lacking behind in number of professorships compared to e.g. Nordic countries and this is a move to slightly improve this handicap. While I think this is great it also must be understood current government lead by Sipilä has drastically cut budgets on education. Maybe Holmström winning the Nobel prize in economics last year has made them rethink a little.

Edit: fixed Liikanen's words a bit


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