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Mizu1993
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Doctors?

Post by Mizu1993 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:19 pm

From my home country, I am used that I can see a doctor whenever I want (except weekends) and get help immediately. But here it is much more harder. I don't know what to do. I have a back problem since 2 month, after I gave birth. I also have to say that not even the doctors in the hospital could speak english. I was 1 week there, without a translator....impossible. I visited a few doctors here already, because of different reasons. No matter what the problem is, they can't solve it. I always hear "I don't know" or "We can't do anything" from doctors. How can that be? So what should I do? My back gets worse with every day, I go to massages every 2 weeks, that is the only thing that I found so far what I can do. I can't be too much absend from my family either. My fiancee is working and I have a 3 month old baby to take care of. I live in Tampere, for a big city, it should be possible to have doctors around, right?



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Keravalainen
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Re: Doctors?

Post by Keravalainen » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:02 pm

Hi!
You can get an appointment to a doctor here at private healthcare immediately tomorrow...
over 100 vacant appointments at Terveystealo, Mehiläinen etc!
But... don't expect to get them cheap - be prepared to pay!
- - But isn't your personal health worth it, since you are in a hurry and complaining?

If you want to get a doctor's appointment at public heathcare (cheaper!), be prepared to wait some time.
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Re: Doctors?

Post by biryvih » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:49 pm

From my home country, I am used that I can see a doctor whenever I want (except weekends) and get help immediately.
Sorry to hear about your situation, but you can always try private, I think you will get it right away, but it is gonna cost a bit. In public sectors it takes time to get the appointment, but you can try going to hospital and explain your situation to the nurse and make a personal request it can work, sometimes when they see the severity of the problem, they often try to squeeze some time for you.
that not even the doctors in the hospital could speak english. I was 1 week there, without a translator....impossible.
When you are making the appointment, request them to provide you the doctor with the English language skills.

I would love to give you the benefit of doubt, but my experience says otherwise. I have lived in a "village" population 2000 people and somewhat conservative, but my doctor was fluent in English. I have lived in a town with 12000 people and my doctor was perfect in English. I have visited physiotherapist (back problem) in a town with 5000 population, and guess what, the doctor was kind and spoke perfect English. I am living in a town with roughly 15000 people and so far I have visited doctors multiple times, and doctors speak pretty good English, I made a complaint about a doctor once and requested to replace with someone else and they did that for me. So it is little hard to believe that in Tampere doctors aren't speaking English. I can be wrong of course, but I told you my experience in much much smaller places.


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Re: Doctors?

Post by burak25 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:11 am

I was once hospitalized in my life and it was in TAYS. They all speak great English (up to medical terms that I might not understand with my native language anyways) and offered me translator in my own language if requested. I also been to clinics etc many times and always had decent English speakers. I am not sure about the quality but language is definitely not a barrier.


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Re: Doctors?

Post by metsämurmeli » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:56 am

I doubt anyone anywhere on this earth can study medicine without knowing a fair amount of English. What I have heard from others, though, is that some expect you to speak one of the 2 national languages when you use the public health care. You may just have been unlucky, or did not present the problem well. English is NOT a national language. So if you expect them to talk English with you, I suggest to ask nicely. I personally had to explain to Docs that I am totally learning Finnish, for them to relax. Never met one that would continue with Finnish, once I explained.

IMO, Finland is a mixture of very high quality medicine, and a fair amount of fatalism plus saving money wherever possible. I have met a lot of "oh you have pain? tough love" even from private health care docs. They just cost more, the service is not necessarily beyond the "take an aspirin" approach of the public sector.

Could you go to neuvola, asking nicely for English, and either have them counsel you, or ask around for a good Doc or physiotherapist? Massage every 2 weeks for an acute back pain after birth seems not remotely enough.


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Re: Doctors?

Post by Piet » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:49 pm

metsämurmeli wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:56 am
I doubt anyone anywhere on this earth can study medicine without knowing a fair amount of English. What I have heard from others, though, is that some expect you to speak one of the 2 national languages when you use the public health care. You may just have been unlucky, or did not present the problem well. English is NOT a national language. So if you expect them to talk English with you, I suggest to ask nicely. I personally had to explain to Docs that I am totally learning Finnish, for them to relax. Never met one that would continue with Finnish, once I explained.

IMO, Finland is a mixture of very high quality medicine, and a fair amount of fatalism plus saving money wherever possible. I have met a lot of "oh you have pain? tough love" even from private health care docs. They just cost more, the service is not necessarily beyond the "take an aspirin" approach of the public sector.

Could you go to neuvola, asking nicely for English, and either have them counsel you, or ask around for a good Doc or physiotherapist? Massage every 2 weeks for an acute back pain after birth seems not remotely enough.
Back pain after giving birth is not so uncommon, and it needs time to get better, it will take sometimes more than a year, depends on the place of the pain and the reason for it.
In general you cannot do anything else than prescribe painkillers for this, however you do not want painkillers if you are breastfeeding (advised). Those chemicals end up in the mother milk and are by definition not healthy for the newborn.

Shortly: learn to live with the pain for now, try resting as much as possible (take naps same time as the newborn) and when you sleep, put a soft pillow between your upper legs when you lay on your side.
Your mattress is very important and should be adjusted to you weight (an adjustable bottom under the mattress could help, see ikea).

Basically an MRI, CT or Röntgen picture of your spine should show any problem with the disks in your back if the problem is there, but this is rarely the case. symptoms would be more like unexplained pain in other parts of your body than you back itself due to nerves being squeezed.

One thing that will for sure help you: start doing stomach exercises to strengthen your belly muscles (sit ups etc), these muscles are severely impacted by your pregnancy and are very very important in helping your back to stay straight (and therefore prevent pain to develop). you need to get these into shape again as quickly as possible to relieve the pressure on the disks in your back.

A massage will only help your back muscles to relax, this will not prevent the pain from coming back.

Good luck!
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Post by Talvenloppu » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:50 pm

Moi Mizu1993

I hope you have found Piet's reply helpful and are feeling at least a little better.

Stress can make any pain much harder to bear so I just wanted to chip in to share the experiences I have of healthcare here (in a city of 70,000) with regard to English speaking doctors. You're not alone!

Finnish doctors speak English very well. The basic education in Finland, combined with a diet of US movies etc, means that virtually everyone under 40yrs of age speaks English to at least a functional degree. Added to this is that much of the university and then professional education is carried out either atotally, almost entirely, or partially in English. As such a volume of expert information is published in English and as international practice is conducted in English it is inconceivable that Finnish doctors do not have sufficient fluency to be able to consult in English. Unfortunately there are two problems with this.

The first is that in my experience Finns are extremely sensitive to "losing face" so if they feel they cannot do something to an "acceptable standard" they simply will refuse to do it. In hospitals I have witnessed the racalcitrance caused by this severly compromise the care given to terminally ill patients. If you go to to Ensiapu/A&E/Accident and Energency at a hospital make sure if you can that you are well dressed.

Secondly, perhaps as Finnish doctors are seen to be the good doctors and foreign doctors - who make up an increasing proportion of public healthcare doctors these days (and have poor or non-existant English) - to be bad doctors, the time of Finnish doctors is allocated to Finns and of the foreign doctors to foreigners. My own experience is, that despite detailing and stressing my need to consult with English speaking doctors (privately and publicly, in person and via their respective call-centres) and having that need acknowledged and agreed, I am still invariably referred to Russian/Turkish/Greek speaking doctors.

The general advice for foreigners here regarding healthcare is I have found:- go private or go home, or perhaps more succinctly simply: go home. In my experience, if you are in some way integrated/sponsored by a Finnish group (a family or business), you will be cared for "lovingly". However if you are or if you become an outsider then life is tough. I have found this to be an unforgiving place.

Good luck to you and voimaa


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Re: Doctors?

Post by biryvih » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:56 pm

Oh wow this is still going on?
If you go to to Ensiapu/A&E/Accident and Emergency at a hospital make sure if you can that you are well dressed.
How come I have never seen this? You can read my earlier post where I have mentioned about my experience in different cities. And to be honest, this is the most interesting and weird sentence I have ever read. I never dressed "nicely", the only thing I have done and still do, is to be polite.
go private or go home
Never heard that ever.
if you are in some way integrated/sponsored by a Finnish group
You mean you need a Finnish to hold your hand and take you to doctor? I don't have any of this and yet I have never been refused any service.. I live in a small town, and I remember I was looking for a place in the hospital and I went to info and spoke English and the nurse couldn't speak/understand, but she got what I was looking for, she walked with me and showed me the exact place.

And once in the same place, I had an appointment and the nurse called me and told me I have appointment with "abc doctor" I told her, I feel like this doctor is incompetent or doesn't understand my needs, and she swapped another doctor for me. and we did all this in English language... and I should speak Finnish and I do up to some extent, but I have a bad habit of speaking English and I for some reason continue to do so... but never have I ever felt whatever this post described so far... so I apologize if my post sounds a bit harsh, but I do know some people who don't get their things done, because they believe "everything should be done according to their desire" and often their things are stuck... so maybe that is the case..


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