Another Stupid Law

[007]

Imagine a flood of unemployed getting a study place just to get their hands on student money.

Except now it is either/or and the student money is waaaaaaaay below the earnings related unemployment money. It is quite new thing that you can study while being unemployed. And by study I mean something useful, not the usual työkkäri slave work crap.

But being unemployed, you cannot enrol into a course offered by amk/yliopisto that leads to a degree, can you? I think that's possible for some sort of vocational courses that last for 6 months or 1 year. That's what I have heard. BTW, at the moment I am @ työkkäri slave work + study crap

[Pursuivant]

I'd been screaming of joy if I could have claimed unemployment money and been studying at the same time. Back in the 90's also there was no work as everything was bankrupt.

As for things being "fair" Same thing now that I moved to UK, if I got made redundant, they'd tell me here to pissoff and if I took the milk plane to Finland, I'd be on base KELA even I have paid 11 years to union funds. The day I buggered off I left that option. So this whining makes me just giggle myself silly.

[Rip]

But being unemployed, you cannot enrol into a course offered by amk/yliopisto that leads to a degree, can you?

That used to be clearly so, now I think the situation is more complex. Those who have are reason to know better should open discussion what the "self-motivated study" on this page is or can be:
http://www.kela.fi/in/internet/english. ... enDocument

[DMC]

Same thing now that I moved to UK, if I got made redundant, they'd tell me here to pissoff

Are you sure about that? This says:
Benefits available for UK and EU Citizens
All EU/EEA and Swiss citizens who have the right to work in the UK are eligible to the same benefits as unemployed people from the UK:

Jobseeker's Allowance
Income Support
Housing Benefit
Council Tax benefit
Childcare Benefit

[Karhunkoski]

As for things being "fair" Same thing now that I moved to UK, if I got made redundant, they'd tell me here to pissoff

Nah, get yersen a munter n a bakers o brats. Yul be appy as larry, clearin 50k b'tween yas.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... style.html

Fit asa butcher's that bint, ellova rack, tad saggy mind, but what yus spect affer all dem greedy suckers

[roger_roger]

The guy said me, he asked the trade union to return all the money he paid during last two years as unemployment fund with 10% interest rate, the lady nearly ran away from her office.....

[Pursuivant]

Same thing now that I moved to UK, if I got made redundant, they'd tell me here to pissoff

Are you sure about that? This says:
Benefits available for UK and EU Citizens
All EU/EEA and Swiss citizens who have the right to work in the UK are eligible to the same benefits as unemployed people from the UK:

Ah, yes, now I do as its been over a year. But lets say this would have happened the first 3 months or first year. Proving you are a "habitual resident" would have been pretty tricky.

[Upphew]

The guy said me, he asked the trade union to return all the money he paid during last two years as unemployment fund with 10% interest rate, the lady nearly ran away from her office.....

So we're talking about 200e+interests. It is good to make a point, but that sum wouldn't make me too active.

[roger_roger]

So we're talking about 200e+interests. It is good to make a point, but that sum wouldn't make me too active.

I guess the amount was 600+, still not so much, but it might just be a stupid way to confront as he was not happy about not getting the benefits

[Upphew]

So we're talking about 200e+interests. It is good to make a point, but that sum wouldn't make me too active.

I guess the amount was 600+, still not so much, but it might just be a stupid way to confront as he was not happy about not getting the benefits

Either he was earning like a banshee or working in the wood and speciality or construction... see "liitetaulukko 3": http://www.finanssivalvonta.fi/fi/Tilas ... t_2010.pdf the -11 numbers are probably higher as the unemployment certainly didn't go down since -10.

[Pursuivant]

So we're talking about 200e+interests. It is good to make a point, but that sum wouldn't make me too active.

I guess the amount was 600+, still not so much, but it might just be a stupid way to confront as he was not happy about not getting the benefits

Werll, we have them stupids around who pay too much for everything (thats why you pay double in Finland) but YTK costs only 62 euros a year, so anythin above that means you are... mentally challenged

[CH]

but YTK costs only 62 euros a year

99 euros.

[Karhunkoski]

but YTK costs only 62 euros a year, so anythin above that means you are... mentally challenged

Not necessarily..

Choosing to go the extra step and joining a union could be a very wise decision for some immigrants working in Finland. If things turn sour and they're the victim of some sort of discrimination in the workplace, at least they have somewhere and someone to turn for help.

[Rip]

and in case somebody did not know, all of those fees are tax deductible, so if your marginal tax rate is X% you really only have to pay (1-X)% of the nominal fee.

[Pursuivant]

Choosing to go the extra step and joining a union could be a very wise decision for some immigrants working in Finland. If things turn sour and they're the victim of some sort of discrimination in the workplace, at least they have somewhere and someone to turn for help.

YTK-yhdistys with the legal help cost 17 euros extra. Seems they might have put up the prices up as well. Unions are totally useless, what they do is have fat cats in shelter jobs and fund corrupt communist politicians, nothing they do is for any benefit to an honest working man, but the greedy politicians.