And seems that the same old hot discussing is coming againmatildemichi wrote:and i do also think that genetic features are also common, as you can notice from oriental eyes you can find in finnish faces sometimes, and also in estonian and hungarian ones.
Finnish and Japanese
Re: Finnish and Japanese
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hmmm... japanese is a total mishmash of jomon culture and chinese influence. modern japanese bears little resemblance to anything except korean, and then only from a distance of at least 50ft in a crowded bar with a solid trip hop beat pulsing from the speakers.
what you want to be comparing is the language of the ainu minority in japan, aka ezo, and finnish. that might get you somewhere.
what you want to be comparing is the language of the ainu minority in japan, aka ezo, and finnish. that might get you somewhere.
Re: Finnish and Japanese
That would be quite strange as Finns are mostly of germanic origin (largest group originates from Flanders region in Belgium), only the language is Uralic. Fenno-Ugric peoples, like the Sami, have very dark hair instead of blonde.matildemichi wrote: i do also think that genetic features are also common, as you can notice from oriental eyes you can find in finnish faces sometimes, and also in estonian and hungarian ones.
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yes, exactly, i was reffering to certain kind of finnish ppl, evidently those whose origins come from asia, as lappons and sami : ) finnish people have different and various origins... but there are also blond ones having oriental eyes, and probably they are swedes or anyway germanic populations mixed with lappi people... heippä ja hyvää yötä
May be the Italian people came from asia toomatildemichi wrote:: D yes, you are right. its a case... i had to thank you for sharing my thought last time in private about finnish eyes : ) byebye
PS: i went to wien (vienna), and most of ppl thought i was turkish and not italian
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A syllabic-based language is, by nature, limited. It should not be so surprising that the Finnish and Japanese languages have similarities. Thinking they have a common root is scurrious logic akin to pronouncing that ALL languages have the same base since in every language "to be" is irregular (ENK can correct me if there is some obscure exemption to that rule).
I remember when I first moved here and the most confusing thing in the world to me was that "ei" means 'no' in Finnish but it means 'yes' in Japanese. It was, by far, the most difficult part of acculturating. I never knew if I was saying yes or no.
Well, ok, the second hardest was to not be appalled when I had to get my coworker's attention by calling his name. His name was Aho :/
One thing is for sure, though, that syllabic based languages produce far lovelier song lyrics.
I remember when I first moved here and the most confusing thing in the world to me was that "ei" means 'no' in Finnish but it means 'yes' in Japanese. It was, by far, the most difficult part of acculturating. I never knew if I was saying yes or no.
Well, ok, the second hardest was to not be appalled when I had to get my coworker's attention by calling his name. His name was Aho :/
One thing is for sure, though, that syllabic based languages produce far lovelier song lyrics.
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Nuts, now I'm going to spend all weekend thinking about that .Xochiquetzal wrote:Thinking they have a common root is surrious logic askin to pronouncing that ALL languages have the same base since in every language "to be" is irregular (ENK can correct me if there is some obscure exemption to that rule).
I've had problems calling some of my friends by their real names:Xochiquetzal wrote:Well, ok, the second hardest was to not be appalled when I had to get my coworker's attention by calling his name. His name was Aho :/
Pinja (hey, pineapple!), Ronja (oh yeah, scurvy!) and Juho (You ho!).
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Well, there we go. They came from Mars. All other languages come the same root here on Earth. natch.enk wrote:Ok, didn't take long to think, apparently my brain still works.
Quechua and I think Zulu have perfectly regular verbs for
"to be". I'm still debating about the various "Eskimo" languages.
EDIT: Doh, how could I forget the Sámi languages?
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The most obvious resemblance is the thing matildemichi already mentioned. The indicator of a question. In Indoeuropean languages, for example, a question is made by changing the order of words. In Finnish, Estonian and Japanese, a question is indicated with "-ko/-kö" (FIN), "kas" (EST) or "ka" (JAP).
Nihongo o hanashimasu ka?
Puhutko suomea?
Kas sä räägit eesti keelt?
If those three aren't close relatives, I'll eat my socks. Another thing very similar is the indicator of possession; in Japanese, "my (something)" is "watashi no(something)", which is very similar to the Finnish genitive form, most surprisingly "-n".
Secondly, WTF? Finnish has a syllabic word construction nearly identical to the Japanese one! Does "katosiko takakumi" ring a bell? How about "vasara" or "Kokemäki"? Also notice how unnatural it is to have certain consonants successively in Finnish: "traktori" is an impossible word for a Finnish child; it might as well be "turakutori", which would resemble Japanese very much.
Sure, Finnish has some differences (for example, a word can end with just a T), but that is what I call language evolution. It's not like Japanese and Finnish got separated two days ago. I am actually surprised how great the resemblace is, since Hungarian, for example, is total gibberish to me. But I actually have an explanation for this one, too: isolation. Thousands of years ago, when Ural-Japonic languages separated, the Finns went up North, where it was so freezing nobody wanted to come there and ruin their linquistic heritage. The same goes for the Japanese, who moved to an island. The Hungarians, however, were left in Central Europe in the middle of Slovenic influences, making a language completely different from its isolated cousins.
As for the genetics, we, the "actual" Finns, are a dirty mixture of who-knows-what resembling Flemish people, but the Sami are very... asianish. And when we go across the Ural mountains, we meet the Samoyeds, a genetically Asian group who speak Uralic languages. What do you think we will meet after going a bit more East (past the Yugaghirs (another "maybe-uralic" group)) and taking a little boat ride? That is right, the Japanese.
BTW, matildemichi, I have had the same goals as you do for a very long time. It is going to be an epic battle between us someday
The most obvious resemblance is the thing matildemichi already mentioned. The indicator of a question. In Indoeuropean languages, for example, a question is made by changing the order of words. In Finnish, Estonian and Japanese, a question is indicated with "-ko/-kö" (FIN), "kas" (EST) or "ka" (JAP).
Nihongo o hanashimasu ka?
Puhutko suomea?
Kas sä räägit eesti keelt?
If those three aren't close relatives, I'll eat my socks. Another thing very similar is the indicator of possession; in Japanese, "my (something)" is "watashi no(something)", which is very similar to the Finnish genitive form, most surprisingly "-n".
First of all, writing systems have nothing to do with a language's origin.sammy wrote: the most prominent features being the syllabic word construction and the three different alphabets (hiragana, katagana and kanji) make it very hard to believe that there's be anything in common between our languages.
Secondly, WTF? Finnish has a syllabic word construction nearly identical to the Japanese one! Does "katosiko takakumi" ring a bell? How about "vasara" or "Kokemäki"? Also notice how unnatural it is to have certain consonants successively in Finnish: "traktori" is an impossible word for a Finnish child; it might as well be "turakutori", which would resemble Japanese very much.
Sure, Finnish has some differences (for example, a word can end with just a T), but that is what I call language evolution. It's not like Japanese and Finnish got separated two days ago. I am actually surprised how great the resemblace is, since Hungarian, for example, is total gibberish to me. But I actually have an explanation for this one, too: isolation. Thousands of years ago, when Ural-Japonic languages separated, the Finns went up North, where it was so freezing nobody wanted to come there and ruin their linquistic heritage. The same goes for the Japanese, who moved to an island. The Hungarians, however, were left in Central Europe in the middle of Slovenic influences, making a language completely different from its isolated cousins.
As for the genetics, we, the "actual" Finns, are a dirty mixture of who-knows-what resembling Flemish people, but the Sami are very... asianish. And when we go across the Ural mountains, we meet the Samoyeds, a genetically Asian group who speak Uralic languages. What do you think we will meet after going a bit more East (past the Yugaghirs (another "maybe-uralic" group)) and taking a little boat ride? That is right, the Japanese.
BTW, matildemichi, I have had the same goals as you do for a very long time. It is going to be an epic battle between us someday
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konnichi wa! moikka!
im very glad i found someone sharing my same opinions. we should ask money found to japanese and finnish gouvernments to make researches about this theory
...there is something very strange.....arabic forms the possessive pronoms by using a final -nii or i for the 1 singul person, as in finnish....terryfing, isnt it??? but i guess this time we have to admit its just a case...
btw, are you a man or a woman?
soitellaan
...there is something very strange.....arabic forms the possessive pronoms by using a final -nii or i for the 1 singul person, as in finnish....terryfing, isnt it??? but i guess this time we have to admit its just a case...
btw, are you a man or a woman?
soitellaan
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....hard for me to say that one was one of the few stupid italians in the world : )
arabic??? no arabic sound in finnish. ; )
ciao
The Sami have Dark hair... The Dravidians have dark hair and dark skin..( Cos they re tanning all the time in da sun)
Finnish Word has 8 contexts...The Dravidian Language ( of Tamil) has 13 contexts..
sentences and Words formed with adjoining with others...Came from the Dravidian language heirarchy. I wonder if the Ugers and Magyars borrowed it From Dravidians.
Word form difficult to judge..But then for example:
Ananas in Finnish = Pineapple ( that Finns never produced) But is the same in Hindi ( which in tirn was borrowed from Dravidian).
Koti = Home; Tamil: Kottai = Dwelling or Fort 2500 years ago and today.
isa = dad; isaan = "Holy father" in Tamil
Aiti = mom; aathaa ( pronounciation) in tamil = mom
I aint saying that because of similar words that Fenno-Ugarian is equivalent to Dravidian, but then THey definitely have a connection and that it remains to be researched cos the Origins of Fenno and Ugarian Languages are still unkown and that Dravidian language like Tamil( and mebbe Finish) still exist in almost its purest form to due to perseverent conservation of them!!
/Raam
Finnish Word has 8 contexts...The Dravidian Language ( of Tamil) has 13 contexts..
sentences and Words formed with adjoining with others...Came from the Dravidian language heirarchy. I wonder if the Ugers and Magyars borrowed it From Dravidians.
Word form difficult to judge..But then for example:
Ananas in Finnish = Pineapple ( that Finns never produced) But is the same in Hindi ( which in tirn was borrowed from Dravidian).
Koti = Home; Tamil: Kottai = Dwelling or Fort 2500 years ago and today.
isa = dad; isaan = "Holy father" in Tamil
Aiti = mom; aathaa ( pronounciation) in tamil = mom
I aint saying that because of similar words that Fenno-Ugarian is equivalent to Dravidian, but then THey definitely have a connection and that it remains to be researched cos the Origins of Fenno and Ugarian Languages are still unkown and that Dravidian language like Tamil( and mebbe Finish) still exist in almost its purest form to due to perseverent conservation of them!!
/Raam