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Post by Kenni » Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:51 am

Hmm... I do think I'm understanding the vowel harmony....

And I appreciate the lessons and help very much.... thank you :)

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Verb conjugator

Post by kalmisto » Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:03 pm

Here is a Finnish verb conjugator for you :

http://www.verbix.com/languages/finnish.shtml

It can conjugate any Finnish verb and it is very good at it !

Here´s a conjugator of German verbs :

http://www.verbix.com/languages/german.shtml


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Can you count in Finnish?

Post by kalmisto » Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:07 pm

Can you count in Finnish ? ( by Professor Kazuto Matsumura ) :

http://www.tooyoo.l.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kmat ... choice=fin


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Post by Kenni » Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:00 am

Oh, that verbix site is a dream come true! Especially for them tricky stem-changers/irregular verbs 8)

And as for my counting in Finnish, I believe it's now up to 5 or so :oops: :lol:
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Post by kalmisto » Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:35 pm

Lesson number 6 :

Voitko tehdä sen huomenna ? = Can you do it tomorrow?

se = it

tehdä = (to) do

Voitko soittaa minulle huomenna? = Can you call me tomorrow?

minulle = to/for me, minä = I

Voitko soittaa minulle taksin? = Can you call me a cab?

taksi = a cab

(minä) voin = I can, voinko (minä)? = Can I?

(sinä) voit = you can, voitko (sinä)? = can you?

hän voi = he/she can , voiko hän? = can he/she?

(me) voimme = we can, voimmeko (me)? = can we?

(te) voitte = you can, voitteko (te)? = can you?

he voivat = they can, voivatko he? = can they?

Kysymyksiä?
Questions?

(kysymys = a question)

PS. Nice to hear that you like the links!


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Post by kalmisto » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:02 pm

Finnish spell-check :

http://www.lingsoft.fi/cgi-bin/finspell

It checks the spelling of verbs,nouns etc. It checks the spelling of conjugated words also.

If a word is spelled incorrectly it gives you several correctly spelled alternatives.

oikein = correct


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Post by Kenni » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:08 am

Spell check saves my ass all the time.... the Finnish one will do so more often I think :lol: 8)

Just one question I think. So far I know of minä, minua, minulla, and minulle, are these changes (and the ones i'm sure i just don't know about yet) occur because of the cases? And while I'm on the subject of cases, do the suffixes get put on all of the words in the sentence, or just nouns or adjectives or what?
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Post by kalmisto » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:41 pm

>> So far I know of minä,minua,minulla and minulle,do these changes occur because of the cases? <<

Yes, click on "Information about the cases in Finnish" ! :

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/Finnish.html

This on-line grammar book has also information on Finnish cases :

http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~pamakine/kieli/su ... lysen.html

You asked also about the possessive suffix. I´ll try to answer that question later.


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Post by Hank W. » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:46 pm

crap wrote:minä, minua, minulla, and minulle,
I, me, I possess, for me

minä olen auto (I am a car) tarkista lääkityksesi (check your medication)
minua töytäisi auto (I was hit by a car) ~I as an object of action, also I feel as... minua harmittaa (I am [feeling] annoyed)
minulla on auto (I have a car)
minulle myytiin auto (to me was sold a car)
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Post by Hank W. » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:51 pm

the case endings basically are what you use a, about, above, between, by, on, off, for etc. in Eenglish

minulla on punainen auto - I have a red car
minä olen punaisessa autossa - I am in a red car
(compare - minä olen punainen auto - I am a red car)
minä ajan punaista autoa - I am driving a red car
minä ajan punaisella autolla - I am driving a red car
(there is a difference of doing it just for now or continuously)

tulli otti minut tarkastukseen vihreältä linjalta - customs took me to a check from the green line
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Post by kalmisto » Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:03 pm

>> ... And while I'm on the subject of cases, do the suffixes get put on all of the words in the sentence, or just nouns or adjectives or what? <<

mustassa autossani = in my black car

"mustassani autossani" would be wrong

the adjectif must be in the same case as the following noun:

musta auto = black car

mustassa autossa = in a black car

mustaan autoon = into a black car

mustasta autosta = from a black car

mustalla autolla = by a black car

You do not put the possesive suffix on the adjectif,you put it on the noun only :

mustasta autostani ( not "mustastani autostani" ) = from my black car

You can also put the possesive suffix on postpositions and some verb forms :

"takana" ( behind ) is a postposition. ( Finnish has both prepositions and postpositions! )

(minun) takanani = behind me

(sinun) takanasi = behind you


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Post by Kenni » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:36 am

Ah, I think some of this is starting to make some sense.... although I may have to dust off some of the lesser-used grammar knowlege stored somewhere in the back of my brain sometime....

....and I had another question earlier, but I can't remember it now.... ergh.... (i guess that might be because it's 3:30 in the morning)....
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Post by Hank W. » Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:03 pm

kalmisto wrote: (minun) takanani = behind me

(sinun) takanasi = behind you
And then for the interrogative...

Takanasi on karhu. (behind you is a bear)
Takananiko? (behind me?) can think of it as: behind-me-eh?

then you can have fun with -ko and -han
-ko is either a question or a Finnish version of indirect question.

on niin (it is so)
onko niin (is it so)
onkohan niin (is it so, I wonder)
olisikohan niin (might it be so, I wonder)
olisikohankin niin (if it were so after all) :wink:

or a few others

hän tuli (s/he came)
hänkin tuli (s/he also came)
hänkään ei tullut (s/he didn't come either)

now the fun with -ko

hänkö tuli (it was *s/he* who came?)
hänkinkö tuli? (it was also *s/he* who came?)
hänkäänkö ei tullut? ( *s/he* didn't come either)

so lets have some fun:
please translate:
olisikohanko hänkään tullutkaan? :wink:
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Post by kalmisto » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:43 pm

"Speak Finnish like a restless native !" :

http://www.kisa.ca/finnish-phrases.html


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Post by kalmisto » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:24 pm

Talossani on kummitus = There is a ghost in my house

talo = house

talossa = in house

talossani = in my house

taloni = my house

talomme = our house

talossamme = in our house


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