Keskiviikona Kaislaan

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martin_j_clark
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Post by martin_j_clark » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:32 pm

Hei Kaikki,

My name is martin and I am doing Suomi 4 at Kielikeskus at the
University on Wednesday evenings from 6.15pm until 7.45pm. Some of
us from the class are going to start meeting at Kaisla on Wednesdays
at 8pm and will speak Finnish for the first hour or more! If anyone
is interested please feel free to join us. We start on 2nd March.
Tervetuloa!



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Post by Phil » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 pm

I'll be trying to attend occasionally. Please come and practice, even if your Finnish sucks like mine and your embarrassed to use it like me!! We can discuss such interesting topics as days of the week, things you'll find in your house, and numbers.

Martin said he's buying beers for everyone. :D

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Post by neil » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:14 am

Free beer? ....I'll see you there :wink:
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Post by martin_j_clark » Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:30 pm

Sure I will be buying free beers but with Phil's card.
Anyway just in case you can not tell who the "weird foreigner" may be my phone number is:040 873 0759. See you there!

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Post by Hank W. » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:40 pm

Oh well; you must be the advanced class as I was enjoying a pint of Guinness there about quarter past 8 ~ten to 9 to and I didn't get any incentives to go flush my ears with lysol. :wink:

"huastakkonää savvoo vaeko uot muutenniii mualta tullunna?"
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On Hold - Any Suggestions

Post by martin_j_clark » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:22 pm

Well you all probably know how it goes. Things start off with good intentions but then people become busy. Sorry for any inconvenience but due to lack of numbers this idea needs to be put on hold.
If anyone has any other ideas perhaps we could organise a more convenient time etc. I always keep asking myself why is it so hard to speak Finnish in Finland?
Martin

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Re: On Hold - Any Suggestions

Post by PeterF » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:15 pm

martin_j_clark wrote: I always keep asking myself why is it so hard to speak Finnish in Finland?
Martin
Martin..and others...Great that you are trying/practicing ...but these gangs of Non Finns gathering in a pub to "talk Finnish" rarely if ever work.
Too wide a range of standards/levels...beginers get pushed aside/ignored, and the advanced dont correct each other's místakes, especialy pronunciation.

Pub are great for learning/practice, few beers means one is less embarrassed to try.
But the same applies to Finns who want to practice their English.
So......
My suggestion is take yourself regularly to a pub alone (OK take "her" if she insist :wink: ).

Chose the pub carefully ... find one that has signs of inteligent life.

Out of town in the suburbs; local pub come mini ravitola is a good basis.

Become a regular use the basic stuff with the staff.
Dont speak English...but speak at every opportunity.

Most Finnish out of town pubs, like English pubs, have their "local regulars"
They usualy occupy the same corner/table everytime they are there.
Watch for their body language, and take the chance opportunity that you might be welcome to join in and chat.
Once you have been in their "corner" and had a few beers with them.
You will be welcome to walk in next time and join them like one of their gang.

They will practice their English and can you practice your Finnish..It gets quite funny
Three or four Finns talking English to an Englishman who replies in Finnish.
I kid you not in my local we are known as the Hullugengi.

But...nowdays...We mainly speak Finnish..my rules..
Had too many digs/laughs from Hank about my pronunciation.. :roll:
OK I know...must work on it...
The "aa" sound when compared to the "ar" and/or the "ah"..
If you remember nothing else, just remember:
THE HANK RULE:
Do not shorten double vowels, they are double because there is 100% surely another word, which is spelt with just a single vowel, which means something rude/insulting.

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sorry i dont agree

Post by martin_j_clark » Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:15 am

Hi peter,

i really dont agree with what you have written. i studied german in australia and once a week we organised a "kaffee klatsch" mostly with non natives and usually a number of native speakers. It really worked.

I do understand your point yet why do we have to be continually speaking english to dum dums in stupid pubs, I think its time to be proactive.

why is it so difficult to speak finnish in finland?
Its a F-----g joke!

Join the revolution and lets pretend to be as "stupid as them".

Terveisin
martin

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Post by Penny » Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:16 pm

Sounds like you need to be speaking to the locals instead of thinking of them as idiots. :roll:
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Re: sorry i dont agree

Post by PeterF » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:09 am

martin_j_clark wrote:I do understand your point yet why do we have to be continually speaking english to dum dums in stupid pubs, I think its time to be proactive.

Terveisin
martin
How to make friends and influence people..
The Dum Dums Finns in my pub last nights sample.
Two lecturers at the Sibelius academy.
A senior negotiator at of one of the main trade unions.
His wife, who is an IT manager at Sampo.
The MD of a Medical Electronics company.
A fork life truck driver and his wife who is a nurse.


I did say.." Chose the pub carefully ... find one that has signs of inteligent life. "
...please do not chose mine..

But knowing my friends...
You would probably have been welcome if you are not a Dum Dum all the time..

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hei

Post by martin_j_clark » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:53 pm

hei peter,

sorry i did miss the bit about choosing the pub carefully. I have had so many bad experiences in bars here, especially at the beginning. I used to smile at people and then some person would come raving on and I couldnt get rid of them. Sometimes I had to go somewhere else. Also even now I have spent the evening talking to someone and then they have become so drunk and next time i see them they dont remember anything. this has made me quite hesitant now when usually im quite an open person.

I do agree with you that it is good to learn in pubs, but after teaching english all day i cant bear to hear broken english in the evening. Also at my level of finnish it is good to practice sometimes with non natives as it can be intimidating sometimes with a group of natives.

But yes you are probably right maybe I have been going to the wrong places ie "Rakalat". I have to try upmarket.

Cheers
Martin

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Post by Hank W. » Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:19 pm

martin_j_clark wrote: I used to smile at people and then some person would come raving on and I couldnt get rid of them.
Well, as only insane people smile to strangers and "birds of a feather flock together"... :lol:

Yes, the "räkälät" are worth avoiding, but it depends if its a local räkälä you know... as in league of gentlemen "local people". :lol:
Cheers, Hank W.
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