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Phineas
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Overlapping Cases

Post by Phineas » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:46 pm

In a sentence like "These wines come from many countries," which case governs "from many countries"?



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AldenG
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Re: Overlapping Cases

Post by AldenG » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:53 pm

Nämä viinit ovat peräisin monista [eri] maista.

However, since it's moni, there is the less common option of monesta maasta -- still the same case, but worth remembering.

But they could also be peräisin ulkomailta. (Unless you're saying peräisin ulkomaisista lähteistä...)

As with visits to different cities, the noun will factor into the choice of sisä- or ulkopaikaillissija. And ulkomaat is/are different from maat, dontcha know? (They speak different languages there.)

Was there something about the sentence that made you suspect a twist?
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Phineas
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Re: Overlapping Cases

Post by Phineas » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:10 pm

Thank you for the explanation. As my knowledge of Finnish is quite rudimentary, I may suspect twists where there are none. In this example the "from" made me want to use the elative or ablative, but the "many" the partitive.


Jukka Aho
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Re: Overlapping Cases

Post by Jukka Aho » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:07 pm

AldenG wrote:Nämä viinit ovat peräisin monista [eri] maista.
[...] (Unless you're saying peräisin ulkomaisista lähteistä...)
The famous fountains of wine!
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Kayttaja1
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Re: Overlapping Cases

Post by Kayttaja1 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:02 am

Jukka Aho wrote:
AldenG wrote:Nämä viinit ovat peräisin monista [eri] maista.
[...] (Unless you're saying peräisin ulkomaisista lähteistä...)
The famous fountains of wine!
In that case "lähdeluettelo" would be a list of wells/fountains. :lol:


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