Haluan lähettää kirjeen lentopostitse

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Spencerville Slim
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Haluan lähettää kirjeen lentopostitse

Post by Spencerville Slim » Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:56 am

Listening to an old Conversa-phone Finnish Language Course vinyl LP. In the seitsemäs oppitunti, our hero John Brown, amerikkalainen, wants to send a letter home and says - I think - "Haluan lähettää kirjeen lentopostitse." For the life of me, I can't figure out where that "tse" added on to "lentoposti" comes from. Is this an inflected form? I know that we usually say that there are fourteen or fifteen cases in Finnish, but that some obsolete cases survive in certain idiomatic expressions. Is this one of them? I think not, because lentoposti and even posti or mail service are historically recent innovations, so unlikely to have obsolete forms clinging to them. But then what is it? FINTWOL just says "ADV" - adverb. "I want to send it postily ?" That somehow doesn't seem very satisfactory. The booklet that goes with the record is missing, of course, but I doubt it would have explained this point.

Or am I just hearing it wrong and he's not saying "lentopostitse" at all? Maybe the record skips?

Great LP by the way. One of the last gifts my late brother gave me, picked up from a sale of discards at the Brantford Public Library. Lovely concept. Learn Finnish in twenty 3-minute lessons. Damn! Wish I'd thought of that 30 years ago! Already by the kolmas oppitunti, about 7 minutes in, our man John Brown - who speaks with beautiful clarity, by the way - is getting cranky and giving us North American tourists a bad name at the hotel, viz.: "Saanko polttaa tässä huoneessa?" "Onko teillä halvempaa huonetta. . . . pienempää. . . . suurempaa. . . . valoisempaa," and - my favourite - "Onko teillä huonetta mistä on parempi näköala?" Third lesson and we are already conquering the partitive comparative and semantic uses of the elatiivi - or is "mistä" here just a locative use? Yes, I suppose it is. Room from which there's a better view. Pretty locative.



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Re: Haluan lähettää kirjeen lentopostitse

Post by AldenG » Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:37 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolative_case

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Re: Haluan lähettää kirjeen lentopostitse

Post by Pursuivant » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:39 am

I think the English equivalent would be "I would send this via air mail". You use that form somewhat rarely, but it is used when something is conveyed by mode of something. Common forms you don't think of are "ylitse" and "alitse", also in common use say "puhelimitse", or "kirjeitse" for communication but for transport would be teitse, vesitse, maitse...
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Re: Haluan lähettää kirjeen lentopostitse

Post by Jukka Aho » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:55 pm

I’ve also heard sähköpostitse, meilitse (the same thing), and even irkitse (referring to IRC).
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