Hey all!
I was discussing all things Finnish with a Czech guy the other day, and he mentioned a number I'd never heard of!
I've been learning numbers in the following format:
22 = kaksikymmentäkaksi
Is this the way I could informally communicate the number 22 to a Finnish person? The only reason I ask, is because when he said 22, it seemed to have only 4 syllables!? (I'm not going to try to spell it as I've got no idea how it would be spelt!)
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you everyone!
Rob
Informal numbers?
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kakskytkaks
kakskaks
twotentwo or twotwo instead of "two of the tens and a two"
Lets say spoken Finnish and written is about the same difference as written English and Geordie or a Cockney spoken.
You learn the "book writing" but people don't speak proper.
kakskaks
twotentwo or twotwo instead of "two of the tens and a two"
Lets say spoken Finnish and written is about the same difference as written English and Geordie or a Cockney spoken.
You learn the "book writing" but people don't speak proper.
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A friend was working as a cashier a few years ago and one day, she found herself saying "kakskytkaks ja nelkytviis" to a customer, then had an instant mental association to Kirka & almost split her sides once the customer had wandered off.sinikala wrote:A number made famous by the rather short, and now rather dead ...enk wrote:Kakskytkaks is the shortened form.
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I've also heard "kakskääntkaks" (it would be "nelkääntviis" for 45) uttered by some folks.
But yes, not often would you hear "kaksikymmentäkaksi" in an everyday conversation. You'll just hear numbers like
yy, kaa, koo, nee, vii,
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jag_förstår_yo_mama wrote:are there shortened forms for the ordinals?
If you’re referring to what Sammy said (yy, kaa, koo, nee, vii, ...), they’re shortened cardinal numbers, not ordinals.
Normal/Official/Formal/Well-articulated/“Book language”:
yksi, kaksi, kolme, neljä, viisi, kuusi, seitsemän, kahdeksan, yhdeksän, kymmenen
Shortened/Colloquial:
yks, kaks, kol, nel, viis, kuus, seittemän/seiten, kaheksan, yheksän, kymmenen, ykstoist, kakstoist, koltoist, neltoist, viistoist, kuustoist, seittemäntoist/seit(s)entoist, kaheksantoist, yheksäntoist, kakskyt
Even more shortened (musicians often use these for counting beats):
yy, kaa, koo, nee, vii, kuu, sei, kasi, ysi, kymppi, yytoo, kaatoo, kootoo, neetoo, viitoo, kuutoo, seitoo, kasitoo, ysitoo, kakskyt
How about the numbers above 20?
Could be something like this...
kaksyks, kakskaks, kakskol, kaksnel, kaksviis, kakskuus, kaksseittemän/kaksseiten, kakskaheksan, kaksyheksän, kolkyt, kolyks, kolkaks, kolkol, kolnel, kolviis, kolkuus, kolseittemän/kolseiten, kolkaheksan, kolyheksän, nelkyt, nelyks, nelkaks, nelkol, nelnel, nelviis, nelkuus, nelseittemän/nelseiten, nelkaheksan, nelyheksän, ...
...or like this...
kakskytyks, kakskytkaks, kakskytkol, kakskytnel, kakskytviis, kakskytkuus, kakskytseittemän/kakskytseiten, kakskytkaheksan, kakskytyheksän, kolkyt, kolkytyks, kolkytkaks, kolkytkol, kolkytnel, kolkytviis, kolkytkuus, kolkytseittemän/kolkytseiten, kolkytkaheksan, kolkytyheksän, nelkyt, nelkytyks, nelkytkaks, nelkytkol, nelkytnel, nelkytviis, nelkytkuus, nelkytseittemän/nelkytseiten, nelkytkaheksan, nelkytyheksän, ...
...or even something like this...
kaayy, kaakaa, kaakoo, kaanee, kaavii, kaakuu, kaasei, kaakasi, kaaysi, kolkyt, kooyy, kookaa, kookoo, koonee, koovii, kookuu, koosei, kookasi, kooysi, nelkyt, neeyy, neekaa, neekoo neenee, neevii, neekuu, neesei, neekasi, neeysi, ...
“Tuolla kolkytviides(sä) / kolviides(sä) / kolmevitoses(sa) / kolmes(sa)kymmenes(sä)viides(sä) on joku vanha rouva, jolla vesihana vuotaa.” (Referring to the apartment number 35.)jag_förstår_yo_mama wrote:what about in the cases?
As you can see, there are plenty of options, combinations, and alternative “systems” for counting aloud in Finnish in a “simplified” way – and I didn’t even present all of them in the above. (This is one of those things that the native speakers don’t really even think about: they just pick and use some suitable shortened/simplified number series when needed, depending on their mood and the matter at hand.)
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Yes of coursejag_förstår_yo_mama wrote:are there shortened forms for the ordinals?
But AFAIK only for "the first" and "the second" (eka, toka)After those you'd pretty much use kolmas, neljäs etc -there's only be slight variation on the pronunciation. E.g. you might hear "kolomas" and "nelejäs" outside the Ring III
Reminds me of hide-and-seek... when you had to count to one hundred this was the quickest way!kaayy, kaakaa, kaakoo, kaanee, kaavii, kaakuu, kaasei, kaakasi, kaaysi, kolkyt, kooyy, kookaa, kookoo, koonee, koovii, kookuu, koosei, kookasi, kooysi, nelkyt, neeyy, neekaa, neekoo neenee, neevii, neekuu, neesei, neekasi, neeysi, ...