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Informal numbers?

Post by valitettavasti » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:49 pm

Hey all!

I was discussing all things Finnish with a Czech guy the other day, and he mentioned a number I'd never heard of!

I've been learning numbers in the following format:

22 = kaksikymmentäkaksi

Is this the way I could informally communicate the number 22 to a Finnish person? The only reason I ask, is because when he said 22, it seemed to have only 4 syllables!? (I'm not going to try to spell it as I've got no idea how it would be spelt!)

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you everyone!


Rob



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Post by Hank W. » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:58 pm

kakskytkaks
kakskaks

twotentwo or twotwo instead of "two of the tens and a two"

Lets say spoken Finnish and written is about the same difference as written English and Geordie or a Cockney spoken.

You learn the "book writing" but people don't speak proper.
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Post by enk » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:03 am

Kakskytkaks is the shortened form.

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Post by Hank W. » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:05 am

Thats only 3 syllables to...
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Post by enk » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:08 am

Hank W. wrote:Thats only 3 syllables to...
Yeah well, if you don't know Finnish well enough, the next word
prolly sounded like it belonged, too. At least, that's what I'm
chalking it up to 8)

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Post by Hank W. » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:21 am

I can't understand where the Czech loose all those vowels to!
N v mmrt! Tsn ksttmtn jtt! Hn kn Pllst! Vrstk Skslst n?

And *learn the pauses first* goddamnifications!

Grr... windmill-hands-maxim-gun-talk-need-valium-foreigners :twisted:
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Post by enk » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:32 am

First you have to find a Finn who pauses when speaking
instead of coming out with a machine-gunlike utterance
until they run out of breath.

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Post by Hank W. » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:38 am

There *is* a difference between a Maxim and a Gatling...

Oh, and you forgot a woman nagging, when she speaks also inhaling. :wink:
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Post by sinikala » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:40 am

enk wrote:Kakskytkaks is the shortened form.

-enk
A number made famous by the rather short, and now rather dead ...

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Post by enk » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:43 am

Hank W. wrote:There *is* a difference between a Maxim and a Gatling...
I wouldn't know; I was only given pistols and shotguns as a kid.
For some reason those two were out ;)
Hank W. wrote:Oh, and you forgot a woman nagging, when she speaks also inhaling. :wink:
Which is enough to kill HBS in just about anyone :lol:

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Post by sammy » Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:07 am

sinikala wrote:
enk wrote:Kakskytkaks is the shortened form.

-enk
A number made famous by the rather short, and now rather dead ...

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A friend was working as a cashier a few years ago and one day, she found herself saying "kakskytkaks ja nelkytviis" to a customer, then had an instant mental association to Kirka & almost split her sides once the customer had wandered off.

I've also heard "kakskääntkaks" (it would be "nelkääntviis" for 45) uttered by some folks.

But yes, not often would you hear "kaksikymmentäkaksi" in an everyday conversation. You'll just hear numbers like

yy, kaa, koo, nee, vii, Image, Image :wink:


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Post by jag_förstår_yo_mama » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:10 am

are there shortened forms for the ordinals? what about in the cases?


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Post by Jukka Aho » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:18 am

jag_förstår_yo_mama wrote:are there shortened forms for the ordinals?

If you’re referring to what Sammy said (yy, kaa, koo, nee, vii, ...), they’re shortened cardinal numbers, not ordinals.

Normal/Official/Formal/Well-articulated/“Book language”:

yksi, kaksi, kolme, neljä, viisi, kuusi, seitsemän, kahdeksan, yhdeksän, kymmenen

Shortened/Colloquial:

yks, kaks, kol, nel, viis, kuus, seittemän/seiten, kaheksan, yheksän, kymmenen, ykstoist, kakstoist, koltoist, neltoist, viistoist, kuustoist, seittemäntoist/seit(s)entoist, kaheksantoist, yheksäntoist, kakskyt

Even more shortened (musicians often use these for counting beats):

yy, kaa, koo, nee, vii, kuu, sei, kasi, ysi, kymppi, yytoo, kaatoo, kootoo, neetoo, viitoo, kuutoo, seitoo, kasitoo, ysitoo, kakskyt

How about the numbers above 20?

Could be something like this...

kaksyks, kakskaks, kakskol, kaksnel, kaksviis, kakskuus, kaksseittemän/kaksseiten, kakskaheksan, kaksyheksän, kolkyt, kolyks, kolkaks, kolkol, kolnel, kolviis, kolkuus, kolseittemän/kolseiten, kolkaheksan, kolyheksän, nelkyt, nelyks, nelkaks, nelkol, nelnel, nelviis, nelkuus, nelseittemän/nelseiten, nelkaheksan, nelyheksän, ...

...or like this...

kakskytyks, kakskytkaks, kakskytkol, kakskytnel, kakskytviis, kakskytkuus, kakskytseittemän/kakskytseiten, kakskytkaheksan, kakskytyheksän, kolkyt, kolkytyks, kolkytkaks, kolkytkol, kolkytnel, kolkytviis, kolkytkuus, kolkytseittemän/kolkytseiten, kolkytkaheksan, kolkytyheksän, nelkyt, nelkytyks, nelkytkaks, nelkytkol, nelkytnel, nelkytviis, nelkytkuus, nelkytseittemän/nelkytseiten, nelkytkaheksan, nelkytyheksän, ...

...or even something like this...

kaayy, kaakaa, kaakoo, kaanee, kaavii, kaakuu, kaasei, kaakasi, kaaysi, kolkyt, kooyy, kookaa, kookoo, koonee, koovii, kookuu, koosei, kookasi, kooysi, nelkyt, neeyy, neekaa, neekoo neenee, neevii, neekuu, neesei, neekasi, neeysi, ...
jag_förstår_yo_mama wrote:what about in the cases?
Tuolla kolkytviides(sä) / kolviides(sä) / kolmevitoses(sa) / kolmes(sa)kymmenes(sä)viides(sä) on joku vanha rouva, jolla vesihana vuotaa.” (Referring to the apartment number 35.)

As you can see, there are plenty of options, combinations, and alternative “systems” for counting aloud in Finnish in a “simplified” way – and I didn’t even present all of them in the above. (This is one of those things that the native speakers don’t really even think about: they just pick and use some suitable shortened/simplified number series when needed, depending on their mood and the matter at hand.)
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Post by sammy » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:57 am

jag_förstår_yo_mama wrote:are there shortened forms for the ordinals?
Yes of course :D But AFAIK only for "the first" and "the second" (eka, toka)

After those you'd pretty much use kolmas, neljäs etc -there's only be slight variation on the pronunciation. E.g. you might hear "kolomas" and "nelejäs" outside the Ring III :wink:
kaayy, kaakaa, kaakoo, kaanee, kaavii, kaakuu, kaasei, kaakasi, kaaysi, kolkyt, kooyy, kookaa, kookoo, koonee, koovii, kookuu, koosei, kookasi, kooysi, nelkyt, neeyy, neekaa, neekoo neenee, neevii, neekuu, neesei, neekasi, neeysi, ...
Reminds me of hide-and-seek... when you had to count to one hundred this was the quickest way!


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Post by priki » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:11 am

Hank W. wrote:Thats only 3 syllables to...
Kakskytäkaks would also go.


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