debonaire wrote:
Yah its a free country and finns have all the rights to think the way they want...but the question is: is it really beneficial for Finland ? Is there any logic in their anti immigration thinking?Are they being justified in their repulsive outlook to immigration by being zealously patriotic abd ignoring the long term benefits that immigration can bring about?...Besides,can they even afford to persist with this kind of attitude considering that Finland has one of the oldest population in the world?How will the country manage to pay for the pension and other social benefits if there aren't enough finns working to pay taxes?
How the finnish economy would survive if it listens to people like tiswas...it would be a nightmare...now tiswas can think and yell whatever he wants but the point is-does he deserve a listening or its just another drunk crying hoarse on seeing a foreigner.....these people have no understanding how much revenue us immigrants are generating and how invaluable our contribution is for the finnish economy...Instead of being grateful,he chooses to be bitchy...as usual
How much tax money unemployed immigrants doing crime create? Hmm?
20% of them fails to get a job. They fail to integrate. They do NOT fail to commit crime on disproportionate amount.
There are more than enough finns to do all the jobs, or have you perchance missed unemployment rates around 6-7%?
Once that is around 3-4% we might start to worry about needing workers. Once it is 1-2% we have urgent need. Until then, it is better to use resources we have instead of inviting more immigrants to demand changes to our nation and culture.
Immigration is a two way process....Not only the immigrant has to change but the country also has to bend in order to adapt to the needs of immigration...don't go on making the immigrant wholly responsible for effective transition to the local environment...If the immigrant fails to effectively integrate into the society,then it would not be only his/her loss,but would also be a loss to the society and to the country itself...and if you would choose to continuosly ignore this fact ingrates,then in the end finns and finland would end up being the losers...
Remember:As much as an immigrant need finland,its Finland which desperatel needs immigrants...Your government has been going around places to attract immigrants,requesting them to ´make finland their home so that they could bring in their skills ,ideas and direly needed labor to help sustanin the finnish economy...
Typical speak of an immigrant. "You guys really should change your native land to suit my gilded arse better."
Society in reality does not lose anything. There are plenty of people willing to move to Finland to integrate and be productive. We CAN afford to cherrypick, if only our politicians had balls to enforce more strict system.
When you move to other country, it is not country which has to change. Change must be 100% in you.
Else you become bitchy, whining immigrant like deboarse.
By the way,when you talk about crime and unemployment amongst foreigners,its mostly the refugees who make the bulk of the percentage...citing them as troublemakers and holding them responsible for creating the bad image of foreigners while discounting the achievements of other hardworking immigrants is being totally ignorant,ingrateful and disrespectful for all the contribution they have made...And going by your logic of 20%,then I could safely say that all finns are drunk and sociopaths, who go around armed with kitchen knives and riding cycles for hours hunting for a possible victim to kill just for the sake of fun...now what kind of image that would create of local finns???
Out of 5 million 1 guy is around what. Less than one promille?
20% is one in five.
As for being grateful. I am not grateful for someone doing their work. It just shows your giltarsed attitude that finns should be GRATEFUL that some great, civilized immigrant deigns themselves to work.
No, we EXPECT you to work. If you do, great. You fulfill your part. We are not grateful, but we do not dislike you like we dislike unintegrated, whining and possibly unemployed leeches and immigrants.
Respect must be earned, immigrant should start by respecting culture, language and society of country they immigrate to.
but if I am to believe in your logic of 20%,then there wouldn't be any difference between you and me and I sincerely wish not to stoop down to your level under any circumstances...
As Karhunkoski has pointed out earlier that finns are not yet ready to embrace immigration with all their hearts and i second that...there is still a feeling of iron curtain amongst them... Some Finns like everything Global but when it comes to them,they are rigidly Local....An irony in itself..
Actually, finns are smarter than idiots down south in this. Letting immigrants start to force their view and culture to you is ruinous to your society, culture and nation.
Of course, deboarse here does not care. He is immigrant, to him Finland can change and it doesn't do anything to him. Hell, there could be sharia law implemented tomorrow and he would barely flinch.
He is not native in short. Lacks connection to country, culture and language. He would be willing to trash them all without second thought.