What would "nuiva suhtautuminen" be in English?

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:02 pm

*sdamn, computer ate my homework... OK take 2

If you're talking about a NIMBY situation, naapureiden nuiva suhtautuminen kaatoi s-marketin parkkipaikan laajennuksen what word would you use for nuiva? Its more or less used about many things. Matti suhtautui nuivasti Maijan ehdotukseen... maybe negative towards, but then Matti antoi nuivan kommentin Maijan uudesta mekosta. maybe more like an acerbic remark.

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silk · Post by **silk** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:38 pm

Some words that come to mind: resisting, opposing, unenthusiastic, uninterested, unwilling.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:42 pm

Yeah, but one word fitting into all situations.... sdang... its all in the nuances...

enk · Post by **enk** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:52 pm

But the multiple near-synonyms for a single Finnish word is the fun of it

-enk

Timbeh · Post by **Timbeh** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:55 am

silk wrote:Some words that come to mind: resisting, opposing, unenthusiastic, uninterested, unwilling.

Vastusteleva, vastustava, innoton, välinpitämätön, haluton.

Yes, they're probably close to nuiva but not really the same. I feel that the difference might be in that you can resist or oppose or be unwilling without an affective component. Nuiva has a negative affect attached to it. The person feels really actively negative towards the proposed action.

Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:57 am

reluctant ? indifferent ?

Timbeh · Post by **Timbeh** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:27 am

penelope wrote:reluctant ? indifferent ?

Those would probably be something like vastahakoinen and välinpitämätön/penseä.

enk · Post by **enk** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:52 pm

I've been thinking about this now for a while and one of the ways that I might say it would be:

naapureiden nuiva suhtautuminen kaatoi s-marketin parkkipaikan laajennuksen
The lack of enthusiasm in the neighbourhood for ...

But it still doesn't ring right...
-enk

mrjimsfc · Post by **mrjimsfc** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:57 pm

Google translates it into "sour attitude" which is as close as anyone else has come. It cetainly presents the negative that pursuivant is seeking. Actually, the term "unsavory" comes to mind. It's not quite as negative as sour although that is the direct translation of nuiva.

Satish · Post by **Satish** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:41 pm

Would jaded do? It would include the feeling of 'lacking enthusiasm' + 'cynicism' + 'insensitivity'

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jaded

Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:22 pm

mrjimsfc wrote:Google translates it into "sour attitude" which is as close as anyone else has come.

But in (GB) English we just don't use "sour" so much. We talk about a situation "turning sour" when a relationship becomes unfriendly or unpleasant. We use "bitter" to talk about people much more than we use "sour". But I have noticed that Finns use it quite often (eg my DH), usually with some kind of unusual collocation, and I am never quite sure it means! BTW my Finnish WSOY dico also translates it as "sour", which is probably where most Finns have got the word from!

Timbeh · Post by **Timbeh** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:35 pm

Satish wrote:Would jaded do? It would include the feeling of 'lacking enthusiasm' + 'cynicism' + 'insensitivity'

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jaded

That's more like tympääntynyt or leipiintynyt.

penelope wrote:
mrjimsfc wrote:Google translates it into "sour attitude" which is as close as anyone else has come.
But in (GB) English we just don't use "sour" so much. We talk about a situation "turning sour" when a relationship becomes unfriendly or unpleasant. We use "bitter" to talk about people much more than we use "sour".

Sour would be hapan and bitter is katkera. Neither are exactly the same as nuiva but sour comes pretty close I guess.

penelope wrote:my Finnish WSOY dico also translates it as "sour", which is probably where most Finns have got the word from!

I can only speak for myself of course but I don't recall learning nuiva from any dictionary.

kalmisto · Post by **kalmisto** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:13 pm

nuiva :
http://www.frasi.net/dizionari/finlande ... bolo=nuiva

I understand "nuiva suhtautuminen" to mean "uninterest" or "unenthusiastic attitude".

Timbeh · Post by **Timbeh** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:27 pm

kalmisto wrote:nuiva :
http://www.frasi.net/dizionari/finlande ... bolo=nuiva

I understand "nuiva suhtautuminen" to mean "uninterest" or "unenthusiastic attitude".

The problem is that none of those are actually nuiva.

apathetic = apaattinen / välinpitämätön
cold = kylmä
cool = viileä
indifferent = välinpitämätön
passionless = intohimoton
reluctant = vastahakoinen
unenthusiastic = innoton

sammy · Post by **sammy** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:41 pm

Pursuivant wrote:Yeah, but one word fitting into all situations.... sdang... its all in the nuances...

IMO... it's not uncommon in cases like this that no single 'correct' translation exists, you just need to pick the closest alternative depending on the context.

Penelope, I suppose you could say sour-faced attitude... but maybe that would be the equivalent of hapan suhtautuminen rather than nuiva. To me, nuiva seems to imply a decidedly negative and yet somehow uninterested, dispassionate view of the situation.

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