WLM wrote: except for the really big ones with lights like Vihdintie
Bah, that didn't get lights until in the 1990's
gavin wrote:. I think I was born with a psychological right of way
sparks1061 wrote:gavin wrote:I just always wondered why, in Finland, you always have to try and look around the corner to see if you can spot the BACK of a give way sign on the road to the right. Why couldn't they make them double sided?
Goes back to what Hank was saying, They would need to put a couple of extra people in prison to paint the other side of the signs
WLM wrote:I find English mini-roundabouts a pain. However, I think the caller who writes that Finns are not good with roundabouts has a point: they are pretty much a novelty here, except for the really big ones with lights like Vihdintie, and on the smaller residential area ones that are now popping up, some people seem to have got the procedure ass-backwards.
TobyA wrote:Riding to work this morning - I come out of a side road, on to a slightly busier main road. There is a pavement on the otherside of the road, but the snowplough has ensured there is a 50 cm high wall of now icy debris seperating it from the road. I ride down the road. After about 200 mtrs there is sudden and long, loud beep of someones horn. Some volvo-driving fat idiot decides to scare the life out of me for having the audacity to use the road for, well, errr, travelling on. He drives past (giving me about 5 cms of clearance) vigourously gesticulating his annoyance. I tried to give him the finger except am wearing goretex over-mitts which makes this difficult, leading to an even more enraged mood as a result. It is lucky he didn't stop because I'm sure I would have hit him.
This isn't 'a foreigner thing' (admittedly, in Britain it is illegal to ride a bike on the pavement, so I have been riding on roads for the last 25 yrs of my life), I think the provision of cycle paths in Helsinki is excellent and I use them a lot - infact of my ride to work I supect that 95 percent of it is on cycle paths. This morning I was on the road for a reason: that I couldn't get onto the cycle path. Is there a law that says that cyclist must use the pavement? If so the law is an ass. I was travelling at about 25 kmph. On my road bike in the summer (where I have also been beeped, although less agressively) I can reach speeds of 50 kmph + downhill and easily do 30 kmph on the flat. Do parents of young kids want people doing 25 kmph riding on the pavement next to little kids who tend not to keep walking in predictable straight lines as adults do? One of my mates was stopped on his bike by the cops and told to get off the pavement because he was going to fast, so it would seem that if there is a law about this the police won't enforce it.
At the time there was no other traffic coming either way, I had lights on despite the sunshine, and I was riding on the edge of the road.
I'm now going to add prejudice against cyclists (as opposed to the average British drivers mere indifference) to my list of prejudices against Finnish drivers, right up there with a complete inability to grasp the concept of a round-about, using indicators, and over-taking on the inside.
Any other cyclists had similar experiences?
TobyA wrote:WLM wrote:I find English mini-roundabouts a pain. However, I think the caller who writes that Finns are not good with roundabouts has a point: they are pretty much a novelty here, except for the really big ones with lights like Vihdintie, and on the smaller residential area ones that are now popping up, some people seem to have got the procedure ass-backwards.
My father-in-law stops on the roundabout to give way to cars on the right!!! I think a public info campaign is needed.
Have argued the following with friends: you are approaching a roundabout with four exits (for sake of convenience you are coming from South) You want to go West (3/4 of the way around). I always indicate left to do this, showing drivers coming from North that once I am on the roundabout I will pass in front of them. This is what my driving instructor in the UK taught me and I think it says it in the "Highway Code". But my Finnish friends claim you mustn't indicate at all if you are going west - or not until you are nearly 3/4 of the way around and will indicate right (leaving the roundabout). If I'm sitting at the south entrance to the roundabout, looking at cars at the north - who have no indicators on at all, from a British driving back ground I presume they will just come straight over and exit south, hence I can pull on to the roundabout. But here they might be going south OR they might be going East (3/4 around) meaning they will come infront of me. This has led to some squealing of brakes. Lots of traffic rules are different, but make sense - but with this there doesn't seem to be any reason not to use your indicator, it just complicates things.
Hank W. wrote:The rule of indicat9ing: the 'channel' you are on goes 'straight'; if you turn 'off' your channel you show an indicator. If you are a taxi you show it with one blink, if you are a bus you show the blink after you turn the wheels and are halfway off the stop, I've noticed.
Showing a blinker on a 'straight' road indicates you are going into a yard, dropping off your granny or doing something else silly.
sparks1061 wrote:Over the last couple of years I have driven hundreds of thousand Kms all over the world, and without a doubt Finnish drivers are among the most courteous and careful I have come across!
As for the road systems, are they better or worse than those in your home country? or just different? Sure there are things in Finland that drive me nuts, but then roundabouts at just about every junction that will fit one in the UK seems insane to me!
So as has been said in several other threads on this site, if you live in Finland accept that things are different and learn to live with the differences, and STOP BLOODY MOANING!!!!
bohica wrote:The worst driving I've ever seen is in Turkey. In fact, it sucks so bad that the State Department even has an 8-page warning about what to watch out for there. It's pretty amusing. Check it out at: http://travel.state.gov/turkdrv.html
It'll make you see Finland in a whole new light.
bohica wrote:State Department even has an 8-page warning about what to watch out for there.
TobyA wrote:Haven't been to Africa at all, but Indian driving is the worse I've seen in Asia.