need a little help .

by **reachthesky** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:38 am

hello there, so, ive been with my girlfriend[whos finnish] for three years now . and i want us to start a family and all that now, ya know what i mean. just settle down, live together. but what she wants to do is, after she finish school which is this year me go over there for three months get married and ill be able to stay there. i keep telling her thats not the case, finland would not let me do that. would they? we cant just get married and live a life over there. finland aint dumb.

could people please give me tips.

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by **Sisupoika** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:01 am

I am not sure if I understood correctly the question... what do you mean by " finland would not let me do that. would they? "
Are you from outside the EU? Anyway, if you get married with a Finnish person then it shouldn't be a problem for you to stay in Finland due to family ties.

by **rinso** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:53 am

If you're married to a Finn you can get a residence permit based on family ties.
But if the immigration office suspect your marriage is fake, just to give you a residence permit, they can deny it.
It totally depends on the situation, how long you know each other, have you been living together, which country you're from.

by **Rip** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:11 am

If you are married (presumably you are not EU citizen) you can apply for residence permit based on that. If the marriage does not look suspicious the permit will be granted. It can be applied either from abroad (via embassy) or from Finland after you have arrived here. It depends on your nationality if you need a visa for the latter. If you apply within Finland, after submitting your permit application you may stay while it is being processed (even if it would take more than the three month visa free period or the validity time of your visa). During that time you will not have any more rights than a tourist does however.

If you plan to get married this year anyway, it could be smart to get married now and apply for the permit from abroad, so you could later move with a valid permit and better start a new life.

Obviously it would be very much desirable if you had realistic plan what you're going to do here apart from being husband (such as 'work')

by **reachthesky** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:46 pm

rinso wrote:If you're married to a Finn you can get a residence permit based on family ties.
But if the immigration office suspect your marriage is fake, just to give you a residence permit, they can deny it.
It totally depends on the situation, how long you know each other, have you been living together, which country you're from.

hello, thanks. im from england, im a brit. weve been together for three years. and we havent really lived together.

by **reachthesky** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:48 pm

Rip wrote:If you are married (presumably you are not EU citizen) you can apply for residence permit based on that. If the marriage does not look suspicious the permit will be granted. It can be applied either from abroad (via embassy) or from Finland after you have arrived here. It depends on your nationality if you need a visa for the latter. If you apply within Finland, after submitting your permit application you may stay while it is being processed (even if it would take more than the three month visa free period or the validity time of your visa). During that time you will not have any more rights than a tourist does however.

If you plan to get married this year anyway, it could be smart to get married now and apply for the permit from abroad, so you could later move with a valid permit and better start a new life.

Obviously it would be very much desirable if you had realistic plan what you're going to do here apart from being husband (such as 'work')

okay, interesting, thanks for this. but i dont see how the marriage could look suspicious, wevve been together for three years and all . and yes, we will be getting married later on this year, well trying to. and man, i wish it was easy as 'work but ya now how hard it is for a brit to find work, it would take me ages to find a job. thats the only reason im worried about finland .

by **Rip** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:12 pm

So You're UK citizen.... Things are easier then. After moving here and getting married (or the same in reverse order) you're supposed to register at the local police station within 3 months (you don't need a residence permit). If you happen to find a job you can start immediately (before registration). It might still take a couple of months before the registration papers have been approved, and you will be outside Finnish social security system during that time.

by **Kutittaa** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:01 pm

reachthesky wrote:weve been together for three years. and we havent really lived together.

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reachthesky wrote:but i dont see how the marriage could look suspicious, wevve been together for three years and all.

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by **reachthesky** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:16 pm

Kutittaa wrote:
reachthesky wrote:weve been together for three years. and we havent really lived together.

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reachthesky wrote:but i dont see how the marriage could look suspicious, wevve been together for three years and all.

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yeah, why is that funny? C:

by **Pursuivant** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:11 pm

Ok, so you are UK so what exactly you are asking? EU citizens can come and sit their arses blue.... getting registered is a bit different thing. Just remember to bring all the documents on NI contributions & cetera and get a EU health card off the NHS... go to directgov website and read the bit "moving to Europe", they got the chapter & verse. Also, you need to bring a document from the local registrar's office stating you are not married to be able to get married in Finland - may also need to be apostilled - which you should do promptly as they wont accept old paperwork at the magistrate. (Yes there is an affidavit process, but dealing with the local UK embassy is an expensive nightmare, as well as if you aren't married and without a job you have no "reason" to be in Finland so the Finnish authorities won't register you as a resident and the embassy deals with residents and not just some random tourists.) Theres a process called "avioliiton esteiden tutkinta" which your gf should call up and ask what exact papers the local magistrate wants to see and you be a good boy and get them papers. As far as then registering as a resident the same office deals with that so its a bit easier to get everything done at the same time - in principle, you can get "into the computer" easier with a "temporary" status, but you need to at some point (after marriage) go show yourself at the police station, and as you are married you have the "reason" so then they'll give you a paper of "registering of an EU national" which shown to the magistrate turns the computer say "resident"... Now what comes to benefirts & dole - check the directgov on the 3 month rule if you're on benefits - otherwise once you land you are a "tourist" and until you become a "resident" you are a "tourist". And as you haven't been working in Finland you will get some pitiful integration handout and put on an integration plan, but don't imagine someone is finding a job for you - thats what you need to be doing from before you come over. Whats your profession anyways and where you intend on moving to?

by **reachthesky** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:02 pm

Pursuivant wrote:Ok, so you are UK so what exactly you are asking? EU citizens can come and sit their arses blue.... getting registered is a bit different thing. Just remember to bring all the documents on NI contributions & cetera and get a EU health card off the NHS... go to directgov website and read the bit "moving to Europe", they got the chapter & verse. Also, you need to bring a document from the local registrar's office stating you are not married to be able to get married in Finland - may also need to be apostilled - which you should do promptly as they wont accept old paperwork at the magistrate. (Yes there is an affidavit process, but dealing with the local UK embassy is an expensive nightmare, as well as if you aren't married and without a job you have no "reason" to be in Finland so the Finnish authorities won't register you as a resident and the embassy deals with residents and not just some random tourists.) Theres a process called "avioliiton esteiden tutkinta" which your gf should call up and ask what exact papers the local magistrate wants to see and you be a good boy and get them papers. As far as then registering as a resident the same office deals with that so its a bit easier to get everything done at the same time - in principle, you can get "into the computer" easier with a "temporary" status, but you need to at some point (after marriage) go show yourself at the police station, and as you are married you have the "reason" so then they'll give you a paper of "registering of an EU national" which shown to the magistrate turns the computer say "resident"... Now what comes to benefirts & dole - check the directgov on the 3 month rule if you're on benefits - otherwise once you land you are a "tourist" and until you become a "resident" you are a "tourist". And as you haven't been working in Finland you will get some pitiful integration handout and put on an integration plan, but don't imagine someone is finding a job for you - thats what you need to be doing from before you come over. Whats your profession anyways and where you intend on moving to?

thanks man, this is been the most helpful so far . ill save this so i don't forget all this , just in case . i don't have a profession, i just work here and there . but im in college at the moment studying a few things i wanna do in the future. i also would like to study in finland one day aswell, would that be acceptable? another thing i wanna ask while i am here i enjoy teaching people to play instruments, and i do it as a little work thingy here and there for myself, not for the money just cause i like it. would it be alright for a british person to teach guitar in finland? my finnish isnt that great though shamefully, so it would have to be mostly english.

also, is it bad that ill be 19 when i move there? im willing to do whatever it takes to move there, cause i love this girl and i wanna spend the rest of my life with her[hopefully we will] and she was gonna move here, but she really dosnt feel happy here .

by **reachthesky** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:09 pm

by the way .

once we get married can i stay there until everything is sorted? or will i have to go after 3 months?

by **Kutittaa** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:10 pm

Could really do with checking www.migri.fi before asking these questions...

by **Rip** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:19 pm

Kutittaa wrote:Could really do with checking http://www.migri.fi before asking these questions...

or even read replies given so far...

Yes, 'reachthesky', you can stay. The registration papers you should submit within 3 months (although the sooner the better for you)

by **Pursuivant** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:08 pm

reachthesky wrote: i don't have a profession, i just work here and there . but im in college at the moment studying a few things i wanna do in the future.

Well, honestly, you're f*d. There is a huge youth unemployment, and as an illiterate no-speak - let alone with no education - you won't find much "here and there". Finlands all about education - basically, if you're under 25 without a degree the dole office says "go study". There is vocational education for immigrants - so if and when you end up in integration programme you might be placed in one - though, to get hired you need to speak the language so thats the most primary obstacle to tackle first. You need to speak the local lingo. As for guitar teaching, yeah, theres so much demand... do you realise you're moving to a country with the population of Ireland spread on landmass 3x the UK?