Actually it would still apply to Finnish children. Let's say Jussi is trying to move his Brasilian wife and three (Finnish) kids here - for arguments' sake let's say they've all been living in Brasil but he has managed to get a job in Finland starting soon. It's the wife who he has to prove support for.Oho wrote:In the cases painted here no, because the children would either be Finnish citizens or be entitled to obtain the citizenship essentially via notification. Thus the income requirement would only apply to the non citizen spouse if that considering he or she would be the other legal guardian, parent, of Finnish citizen minors living in Finland.leisl wrote: Because it's the children it affects the most.
It would however apply to the non citizen children of a naturalized citizen, and even those would be relatively few because the rules would not apply to refugees. What it actually might stop is mail order brides or grooms and naturalized citizens from flying back to home country to marry and to bring their new spouse to Finland to live off welfare. I know I know, they do try to detect fake marriages but the incentive would be less.
What is being discussed is not just the negative right for family life but the positive right of imposing the welfare of those family members on total strangers, that is, its just 'quid' the 'pro quo' bit has gone missing in action.
Yes, the children have a right to be here, but not the wife. If his income isn't high enough to support ALL FIVE of them, HER application would not be approved.
And in reality that would mean either all five of them do not come or the wife stays in Brasil with the children. Do you think she'd really send the kids over and just stay in Brasil by herself. No.
Now if Jussi was an executive who earned a lot of money, it'd be approved.
Rich Finnish children get treated one way, ordinary Finnish children, another.