I think the sprouting of the multitude of Robert's Coffee and Wayne's Coffee chains (and all the other places that now serve triplemochalatte in to-go paper cups) in the Helsinki region says that that there was a window of opportunity for a Starbucks here (about 5 years ago), but I think the market has been reached and saturated.Hank W. wrote:"American coffee" has these images to battle in Finland:
I knows actuallysuperiorinferior wrote: BTW/FYI: Robert's Coffee and Wayne's Coffee and those in their ilk are total clones of Starbucks...
It sounds like you've only had American coffee at a Howard Johnson's in 1976...Hank W. wrote:"American coffee" has these images to battle in Finland:
- I ordered coffee not tea!
- I could swim over the Columbia River with a coffee bean embedded in my cheeks and I'd serve a browner stain!
- I ordered a coffee, not the dishwater after you washed the cups!
... same thing as with "American Beer" = diluted horsepiss. Finnish coffee is "sauce" compared to the "soup". Its very different.
And "American Coffee" is served cold so some granny won't burn their cooch in it.
Of course theres regional differences, but you ask the "average Finn".
You'd have better luck with Starbuck's in Ireland, their coffee is utter shyte!
Oh, and the place Starbucks would need to compete with is Wayne's Coffee and Robert's Coffee... Robert's is owned by Paulig. Paulig *is* coffee.
Oh, and when a Finn goes to buy coffee they say "a coffee" and expect to get the regular. Latte-freakin-cappu-moccha... ok, gas station... COFFEE! Saludo Industrial with melting spoons...And selling de-caf is a fraud.
Pessimistic Finn says you are spot on.superiorinferior wrote: I think the sprouting of the multitude of Robert's Coffee and Wayne's Coffee chains (and all the other places that now serve triplemochalatte in to-go paper cups) in the Helsinki region says that that there was a window of opportunity for a Starbucks here (about 5 years ago), but I think the market has been reached and saturated.
You do not drink vodka for the taste necessarily either...superiorinferior wrote:[
While Finns may like their coffee strong and hot and strong... Did I mention strong... That doesn't mean it always tastes good.
There are 17 (yes, that's seventeen) Starbucks in Paris (yes, the one in France). I thought the French were among the most coffee snobs in the world.haahatus wrote:
Maybe there are people who would like it . In my opinion it would face a huge image problem. Among other things. Isn't it expensive as well. I see no great success for a Starbucks chain in Finland.
I don't think coffee is a market where coming here would work now. There is already standardized coffee here. The situation is not at all comparable to Mc Donalds entry into Finland. And they make losses here ifirc. I can say many people don't prefer to eat at MCD and it's just not the maailmanparantaja (worldbetterers) Imho it is too late now anyway.
Where is there a Burger King in Finland?toukokuu wrote:I do not understand what these folks are talking about. Even if we have Wayne's and some other cafeterias, Starbucks it still welcome. The coffee they serve, is great. Look at the Hamburger restaurants - Mc Donalds, Carrols, Burger King, Hesburger. Mostly they are always if not full, at least half full.
Do not feel discouraged about these cynical reactions. Indeed, Finnish people are great coffee drinkers.
But I also said " I see no great success for a Starbucks chain in Finland. "Start a starbucks in Southern Helsinki , a Starbucks in a area with as much as tourists as possible.
edit: standardized coffee , I meant a coffee chain. Something where the coffee is always the same. Like a standardAccording to the company's fact sheet, as of August 2005, Starbucks had 5,715 company-operated outlets worldwide: 4,666 of them in the 50 United States and Washington, DC and 1,049 in other countries and U.S. territories. In addition, the company has 3,956 joint-venture and licensed outlets, 2,222 of them in the 50 United States and Washington, DC and 1,734 in other countries and U.S. territories.
For opening their first one in France only a year or so ago?? And they already have 17? That's pretty big in my book.haahatus wrote:
And the link you gave shows there are 17 SB in whole of France and 15 of them in Paris? Looks like Starbucks is not a big thing in France.
The interesting thing would be to see how many are still open in a year from nowsuperiorinferior wrote:For opening their first one in France only a year or so ago?? And they already have 17? That's pretty big in my book.haahatus wrote:
And the link you gave shows there are 17 SB in whole of France and 15 of them in Paris? Looks like Starbucks is not a big thing in France.
I don't think there are 17 of anything in Finland...
