Try asking native Finns this trick question...
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Try asking native Finns this trick question...
... if you want to really annoy them!
The correct words to use when one of your friends is sick are "Parane pian" - "Get well soon" or literally "improve soon"...
The "soon" part is easy: "pian" translates into english directly.
"Parane" is a little more difficult. It is a verb in its imperative form, meaning that you are telling someone to get better: just like in the English sentence "Get well soon".
But this is the question:
What is the verb infinitive (the basic form) from which the imperative "parane" is derived?
(I actually reckon Hank will get this right, so PM me so as not to spoil it for the others!!!)
The correct words to use when one of your friends is sick are "Parane pian" - "Get well soon" or literally "improve soon"...
The "soon" part is easy: "pian" translates into english directly.
"Parane" is a little more difficult. It is a verb in its imperative form, meaning that you are telling someone to get better: just like in the English sentence "Get well soon".
But this is the question:
What is the verb infinitive (the basic form) from which the imperative "parane" is derived?
(I actually reckon Hank will get this right, so PM me so as not to spoil it for the others!!!)
Last edited by Niall Shaky on Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Feeling are tricky ones..feeling better..does not translate word for word..
parempi..= better.. but you cant say "oletko parempi?".. That is like saying "you were badly behaved are you better behaved now.??!"..However if you say it, the Finns will know what you mean.... also giving imperatives demands when it comes to get better!!! Can one demand someone gets better in health.??.or are you saying get better in your behaviour..??
I usualy say something something like.."toivon että paranet pian"..!..from the verb "to feel better"
Or "voitko paremmin?"
But to answer your question...just a guess.. .is it parantua??
parempi..= better.. but you cant say "oletko parempi?".. That is like saying "you were badly behaved are you better behaved now.??!"..However if you say it, the Finns will know what you mean.... also giving imperatives demands when it comes to get better!!! Can one demand someone gets better in health.??.or are you saying get better in your behaviour..??
I usualy say something something like.."toivon että paranet pian"..!..from the verb "to feel better"
Or "voitko paremmin?"
But to answer your question...just a guess.. .is it parantua??
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I'm actually beginning to doubt that I know the right answer to this one now... so I may as well explain what I was getting at...
My Finnish teacher originally told me that the infinitive would be verb type VI- the verbs that conjugate e.g. for infinitive "ilmetä", to reveal:
ilmenen
ilmenet
ilmenee
etc.
Right?
But they all end -eta, right? e.g. ilmetä, lyhetä, etc.
So now I don't know what the @#$% she was talking about. She was basically saying that the correct infinitive is "parata" ("pareta"?), but that the infinitive has now dropped out of use so now most Finns would go for parantua or parantaa- the imperitive of "parantua" would be "parannu", right?
I'm thinking now that the parane imperitive comes from some irregular verb...
I dunno...
My Finnish teacher originally told me that the infinitive would be verb type VI- the verbs that conjugate e.g. for infinitive "ilmetä", to reveal:
ilmenen
ilmenet
ilmenee
etc.
Right?
But they all end -eta, right? e.g. ilmetä, lyhetä, etc.
So now I don't know what the @#$% she was talking about. She was basically saying that the correct infinitive is "parata" ("pareta"?), but that the infinitive has now dropped out of use so now most Finns would go for parantua or parantaa- the imperitive of "parantua" would be "parannu", right?
I'm thinking now that the parane imperitive comes from some irregular verb...
I dunno...
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Arno wrote:My guess....
It's verbtype I 'parantaa' in the potentiaali...
Wow. That sounds convincing! More information, please Arno!
Like firstly, what is potentiaali? I've not come across it before. What does it mean?
Secondly, how do you form it? From which verb stem? Looks strange! I can go and impress my Finnish teacher at the next lesson...
Last edited by Niall Shaky on Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Your teacher is right, but the example wrong. This devision in six classes will do for 99% of all verbs. So, you better stick to it. However, there are in fact 26 groups of verbs and parane is one of the exceptions, it goes in group72. Forget it, just follow what your teacher tells you to do.Niall Shaky wrote:I'm actually beginning to doubt that I know the right answer to this one now... so I may as well explain what I was getting at...
My Finnish teacher originally told me that the infinitive would be verb type VI- the verbs that conjugate e.g. for infinitive "ilmetä", to reveal:
ilmenen
ilmenet
ilmenee
etc.
Right?
But they all end -eta, right? e.g. ilmetä, lyhetä, etc.
So now I don't know what the @#$% she was talking about. She was basically saying that the correct infinitive is "parata" ("pareta"?), but that the infinitive has now dropped out of use so now most Finns would go for parantua or parantaa- the imperitive of "parantua" would be "parannu", right?
I'm thinking now that the parane imperitive comes from some irregular verb...
I dunno...
In practice it means the same as parantua.
paranee 72 (konsonanttivartaloiset muodot kuten parata, parannut, parattiin, parattu jne. korvautuvat tav. parantua-verbin vastaavilla muodoilla parantua, parantunut, parannettiin, parannettu jne.)
1. ( = parantua). Potilas parani taudista. Parane pian! Sää on paranemaan päin, paranemassa. Asia ei murehtimalla parane. Tästä ei auto parane tämän parempaa autoa ei ole.
2. (vain yks. 3. persoonan muotoja) kans. kielteisissä yhteyksissä: auttaa, hyödyttää, kannattaa. Sitä ei parane kieltääkään. Ei hänen parane panna vastaan. •
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My Finnish teacher originally told me that the infinitive would be verb type VI- the verbs that conjugate e.g. for infinitive "ilmetä", to reveal:
ilmenen
ilmenet
ilmenee
etc.
Right?
Ilmetä is also group 72, indeed.
aleta,edetä,enetä, halveta, hapata, hurjeta, jähmetä....
There are many more exceptions in the Finnish language than you may think of. So, I just learn these by heart. It seemed more efficient than bothering about grammatical rules with so and so many exceptions.
ilmenen
ilmenet
ilmenee
etc.
Right?
Ilmetä is also group 72, indeed.
aleta,edetä,enetä, halveta, hapata, hurjeta, jähmetä....
There are many more exceptions in the Finnish language than you may think of. So, I just learn these by heart. It seemed more efficient than bothering about grammatical rules with so and so many exceptions.
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