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by Phineas
Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:39 am
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Re: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

I know that Finnish word order is not free, though I am ignorant
of its nuances. Years ago, while studying Russian, I was asked
more than once if it were true that Russian had free word order.
I don't know how people got that idea.

Thanks again for the explanation.

Steve
by Phineas
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Re: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

Thank you much for the reply. It was quite helpful. I was not aware of
the subtle role of word order in this context.

Steve
by Phineas
Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Re: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

Otherwise: Siellä on isoja ikkunoita / There are big windows there (no specific number). Siellä on iso ikkuna. /There is a big window there. Thank you much for that very helpful explanation, and sorry for the belated reply. What about the case of a particular number of windows, but not a natural se...
by Phineas
Sun May 12, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Re: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

Just fixing the typo: That should have been "Meilla" rather than "Meila."

Steve
by Phineas
Sun May 12, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Re: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

I have to agree. "Me" is plural, but we say "Meilla on . . . " when expressing possession. I am still trying to figure this one out. According to Wiktionary, "siellä" is the superessive adverbial case of of "se" and that it "resembles" the adessive. So (I guess) by analogy based on the possessive co...
by Phineas
Fri May 10, 2019 2:39 am
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Re: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

If we are using "on" rather than "ovat" because we are
talking about an indefinite quantity, shouldn't "isot ikkunat"
be in the partitive?

Steve
by Phineas
Thu May 09, 2019 12:31 am
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Re: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

So does "siellä" (rather than "ikkunat") serve as the
logical subject of the sentence? And if that is the case,
is "siellä ovat" always incorrect?

Thank you, and please convey my thanks to your wife.
Steve
by Phineas
Wed May 08, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Siellä on vai Siellä ovat
Replies: 15
Views: 2314

Siellä on vai Siellä ovat

In working through Agi Risko's book "Beginner's Finnish" I came across this sentence: "Siellä on varmasti isot ikkunat ja niistä ihana näköala." (They're talking about their cabin on the Stockholm ferry.) Why do we use "Siellä on" here instead of "Siellä ovat"? Is the construction analogous to the p...
by Phineas
Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:55 am
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Comitative Plural
Replies: 2
Views: 3800

Comitative Plural

In John Olli's book "Fundamentals of Finnish Grammar" the comitative plural suffix of both nouns and adjectives is -ine. In other sources (e.g. Wiktionary) adjectives get the -ine and nouns -ineen. Is Olli's book wrong on this point? Or out of date? While we're on the subject, I noticed that Wiktion...
by Phineas
Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:10 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Overlapping Cases
Replies: 4
Views: 3237

Re: Overlapping Cases

Thank you for the explanation. As my knowledge of Finnish is quite rudimentary, I may suspect twists where there are none. In this example the "from" made me want to use the elative or ablative, but the "many" the partitive.
by Phineas
Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:46 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Overlapping Cases
Replies: 4
Views: 3237

Overlapping Cases

In a sentence like "These wines come from many countries," which case governs "from many countries"?
by Phineas
Mon May 20, 2013 4:19 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Random questions
Replies: 7
Views: 1696

Re: Random questions

What, or who, is Atari?
by Phineas
Sun May 19, 2013 6:38 pm
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Random questions
Replies: 7
Views: 1696

Re: Random questions

I was going to say "Not necessarily double, just a bit longer.", but then I checked this data, which seems to indicate that a double vowel is about twice as long as the corresponding single vowel. However, as we can see, the absolute lengths are very much dependent on the context where the word is ...
by Phineas
Thu May 09, 2013 3:01 am
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Random questions
Replies: 7
Views: 1696

Random questions

1. When listening to Finnish, I seldom catch the elongated double vowels. I only know that they're there if I'm reading along. Are Finnish speakers really supposed to double the vowel length? 2. Are there languages with elaborate declension systems in which the noun is declined but the adjective is ...
by Phineas
Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:20 am
Forum: Kielikoulu
Topic: Possessive suffixes and plurals
Replies: 4
Views: 1606

Re: Possessive suffixes and plurals

Got it. Thank you.