Boy circumcision in Finland

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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Tiwaz » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:41 am

ERm...

You and Cory are married to same guy? Because I am understanding that she was talking about her hubby who had the whole deal cut off.



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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by EP » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:19 am

Well, she wrote "3 boys in our family, all complete." I just assumed that the husband is one of the boys.


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Cory » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:31 am

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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by EP » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:51 am

Sorry, I misunderstood.


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by dampa » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:08 am

Interesting debate here people... and thanks to Rip
Rip wrote:it is legal (http://www.kko.fi/44726.htm ) if done in by proper medical personnel. It's also very rare here for without religious (or actual medical) reasons, so I'd consider still it one more time. As to where you can do it, I do not know. Google search seems to result clinics in Estonia. Maybe a polite inquiry to the local Jewish congregation might help....
I did found out it is legally accepted in Finland. Just need to look for where to have it done in Oulu area. Don't know of any Jew who can help around here. AND I am not a Jew or Muslim... It isn't done generally in Finland but it is elsewhere.

Before I forget, thanks Hee for your reports. You don't need to go that far & yes it is done generally in the US/UK even if US/UK are not in this part of the world ;) Plus I asked where it could be done and if it is legal here :lol:


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Tiwaz » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:25 am

I once more advice you to seriously reconsider.

You said "it is not generally done in Finland but elsewhere". Your elsewhere is extremely limited area. It is limited to USA, UK , Israel (and even there to Jews) and parts and portions of Islamic world.

Practice is rather rare and it is dying out as it offers no real benefits but does offer many counterproductive effects.

Furthermore, as practice for reasons besides medical need are unheard of in Finland, you are essentially turning your son into a freak.
If you do not move to area where this barbarism is still practiced, in Finland your child WILL be seen naked by his schoolmates.

You should carefully think which is best for your child, not what you want.

Circumcision does not offer your son any proven benefits, but has full potential to be source of great deal of anguish.


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Karhunkoski » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:57 am

Medical and cultural issues aside, yes please reconsider. Finland is one of the most naked countries in the world, mainly from its sauna culture. Kids are also cruel, and if you're child is even slightly different for being "foreign", he is already exposed to being bullied. Add in some genital mutilation and you will make him an object of ridicule. Kids are already inquisitive enough about genitalia, no need to make the poor boy an object of discussion and gossip in the classroom.
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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by biscayne » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:59 am

Not getting into the argument of whether there are health benefits etc., it's been thrashed to death on this thread. But, I would not agree that anyone in Finland who has it done is a "freak". As I said already on the thread, my SO (Finnish) is fully "done", and is not a freak, nor did he ever have any problems or have anybody making him feel like a "freak" at school or otherwise, and due to the (lovely) Finnish sauna culture, people are naked with each other rather often.................


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Tiwaz » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:32 pm

Nor are all those who have freckles or glasses teased, but having such clear deviations from "norm" are going to be parts which will make you more likely to be picked on. Specially since your hubby is Finn born and bred.

As said by KK earlier, kid already has potential "handicap" in being foreigner. Adding more water to the mill will not make life for him easier.

We are speaking of something that cannot be easily undone if things go badly. Kid has to live with it for rest of his life.
This is the same issue as with parents who want to give their kids "cool" names. Never bothering to think 7-8 years forward and consider what kind of opening such ill thought thing can give to potential bullies.

Benefit of child should always come before any fancies of parent.


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Cory » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:42 pm

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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by biscayne » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:54 am

Ok, I take the point of not deliberately making your child "different" etc., but, I wouldn't have thought that people go around scrutinising penises to such an extent. I'm a nurse and I've seen loads, but to be honest, I hardly recognize the difference myself.


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Upphew » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:24 pm

biscayne wrote:Ok, I take the point of not deliberately making your child "different" etc., but, I wouldn't have thought that people go around scrutinising penises to such an extent. I'm a nurse and I've seen loads, but to be honest, I hardly recognize the difference myself.
Ain't it just like any other cosmetic surgery? If it is well done it looks almost natural.
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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by tunkkari » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:48 pm

biscayne wrote:Ok, I take the point of not deliberately making your child "different" etc., but, I wouldn't have thought that people go around scrutinising penises to such an extent. I'm a nurse and I've seen loads, but to be honest, I hardly recognize the difference myself.
ha, had to laugh at this , i,m also a nurse and find the same thing you dont really see any difference, sometimes i wonder tho is it just because we are so used to seeing them or that people really dont look at them so closely, personally I think people just dont really look at them as much as men would like to think their manhoods are irrisistable.


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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by onkko » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:10 pm

dampa wrote: I did found out it is legally accepted in Finland. Just need to look for where to have it done in Oulu area. Don't know of any Jew who can help around here. AND I am not a Jew or Muslim... It isn't done generally in Finland but it is elsewhere.
No you didnt found out that its legally accepted in your case since you arent jew or muslim and dont have medical reasons. There havent been high court decision on case like yours so you can assume its still assault.
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Re: Boy circumcision in Finland

Post by Cory » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:12 pm

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