Moving to Finland without any job offer

[Arvonen]

How would the chances be for you to get a job in Australia if you wouldn't speak any English at all?
Perhaps you will be lucky, but be prepared that it could as well happen that you sit 1-2 years at home learning Finnish and looking through job offers before you'll get your first job.

hurmm, you were right Adrian. Among my Malaysian friends, I'm the only one that got a job here and all of them have to return to Malaysia after graduated 3 years ago. Seems moving to non-English speaking country will more difficult for me in term of everything. When I went first time to Turku last year for visit, I can say 80% ppl there can't even communicate english properly. What make me think to get a job there gonna be easy right? Guess I just can depend on luck then.

About your opinion to continue study again, I will start searching for some courses that suite me. Maybe if I have no choice, I will study another Master.

Most of ppl suggested him move here instead of me. But my thought was, would be easier for me to move there as I don't have too much commitment here. He’s still study, would be hard for him to move around between study and costs living & study here just madness. Guess if I couldn’t get any visa/permit that allow me to live in Finland, we have to do some marriage things that u suggest. But, still doesn't solve job problem huh?

Thanks Adrian.

[Adrian42]

But my thought was, would be easier for me to move there as I don't have too much commitment here.

There are many dimensions of "easier".

Regarding finding a job, it is unlikely to be easy for you to find a job in Finland.

And have you already been in Southern Finland in winter (or only in summer)?
5 hours between sunrise and sunset.
50cm of snow are relatively normal.
All sidewalks being covered with several cm of ice is also not uncommon.
The temperature can stay constant at -20 °C for a month night and day.
Finland is a nice country, but the weather in winter might be completely different from anything you have ever experienced in your life so far.

Don't get me wrong: I am optimistic that if you are determined to move to Finland and spend the rest of your life here, that will work for you in the long run.

But be prepared that it might in many respects be pretty hard for you during the first 1-2 years to get adapted and settled here.

And you should definitely keep in mind that moving to Finland only makes much sense if that is a long-term decision - giving up a life and job and then spending much time and effort on trying to learn an exotic language and cope with a foreign culture and climate might not be worth it if you and your boyfriend decide in 2 years after his graduation that you two want to move somewhere else.

[Arvonen]

And have you already been in Southern Finland in winter (or only in summer)?
5 hours between sunrise and sunset.
50cm of snow are relatively normal.
All sidewalks being covered with several cm of ice is also not uncommon.
The temperature can stay constant at -20 °C for a month night and day.
Finland is a nice country, but the weather in winter might be completely different from anything you have ever experienced in your life so far.

I was there last Christmas Adrian. My first winter experienced with -18deg.
We went to Ruuka, Lapland. Finland really amazing with her sceneries on winter and I was amazed even with snow everywhere, it’s still beautiful. Except when it has snowstorm and strong wind, I can say Melbourne much more freezing on winter compare to Finland with -15deg.

U totally right about giving up my life here and spending time to learn so many new things then move again somewhere else. Finland its nice country, but my bf and I never thought to settle down there.

Not sure u ever been experience working abroad, but I did read somewhere it said it will be easier for me to moving surround European country if I can make it to get job and live anywhere within Schengen country. Let say if I’m lucky enough to get place at Finland, 3-4 years after if I ever plan to move to Germany, I have better chance. Not sure it’s sounds right or not?

Thanks

[rinso]

I just have to believe in my ability and luck to get a job. It might take longer than i thought. But, still it would be much easier if I'm at finland compare to job hunting from here.

A decision based on luck is quite risky. What if you're not lucky? The odds are against you.
It is not unrealistic to think about the worse case scenarios.

How will your life look like if you quit your job, can't find a job here is 3 months and you have to go back? Will you be able to continue in Aus where you left of, or do you have to go back to Malaysia?

Finding a job can take a long time. And living together on a students hand out can be stressful. What if your relation cannot take that stress and you break up before you found a job?
(don't dismiss that option because you think it cannot happen. there are plenty stories on this forum that show love doesn't last)

Whatever you do, make sure you have a plan B (and C).

[Karhunkoski]

I graduated in Master Degree of civil engineering from RMIT University Australia.

Congratulations on your masters! Last time you posted in the autumn, you were planning to finish the masters in Helsinki?

Hi Pursuivant, I'm B.Eng. I plan to continue Master at Helsinki Uni. But also wanted a job while doing my Master. Do u think easy for me to apply abroad from now on?

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[Rip]

. Guess if I couldn’t get any visa/permit that allow me to live in Finland, we have to do some marriage things that u suggest. But, still doesn't solve job problem huh?
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For most part, no, but if somebody was interested in hiring you, they would not need to start with the residence permit process.

[Rip]

Not sure u ever been experience working abroad, but I did read somewhere it said it will be easier for me to moving surround European country if I can make it to get job and live anywhere within Schengen country. Let say if I’m lucky enough to get place at Finland, 3-4 years after if I ever plan to move to Germany, I have better chance. Not sure it’s sounds right or not?

Getting local contacts can be easier of course, otherwise not really unless you plan to get Finnish citizenship (by that time you'd likely by 'stuck' here anyway). Being a spouse of a EU citizen (ring or two years served) also gives immigration relatedrights.

[Pursuivant]

[Oombongo]

Australian immigration is the worst ever on the planet.

Seriously? I am toying with the idea of moving to Australia. Going for IELTS this year, have my Finnish qualification translated by a verified and authentic translator fella, have my qualifications verified by Australian Computer Society (or whatever it is), send the docs to relevant authorities and have my procedure started.
So I don't think it is the worst, unless you are lading there without job and/or residency.

[Rick1]

Autralian immigration not so nice?

Not so strange, first they had the ships with most favourable persons from UK coming in and after that halve of Asia wants to join the party.

[Pursuivant]

Going for IELTS this year, have my Finnish qualification translated by a verified and authentic translator fella, have my qualifications verified by Australian Computer Society (or whatever it is),

Worst ways to spend your hard-earned savings. I was always just too cheap to pay for that.

[Arvonen]

So I don't think it is the worst, unless you are lading there without job and/or residency.

oh well good luck with the application. I've been here for 5 years. Graduated from local uni. Got my PR sponsored from company that I'm currently working. I'm very sure I was landed fully qualified but still they gave me hard time. To deal with them even with appointment, I still have to wait 2 hrs just to see officer in charge my case.

To get student visa is easy if you have everything prepare (uni offer letter/money/qualification). But to live here n work, not as easy as submit application online. and the costs to get PR just madness. and u have to live here minimum 2 years with full points just to apply for PR. Let see if you can get band 8 for IELTS test, that's new english requirement for PR application since last July. unless u just come here for study or working visa. does not need too high IELTS test point. Please note also, immigration rules change every year on July and ofcourse the fee will increase for everything including tourist visa.

good luck

[Oombongo]

Going for IELTS this year, have my Finnish qualification translated by a verified and authentic translator fella, have my qualifications verified by Australian Computer Society (or whatever it is),

Worst ways to spend your hard-earned savings. I was always just too cheap to pay for that.

not so much of options then. Britain is way overcrowded. EU is in financial crap. US is meh currently. Saudis look for porn in your hard disks. Norway, Sweden?

[Adrian42]

U totally right about giving up my life here and spending time to learn so many new things then move again somewhere else. Finland its nice country, but my bf and I never thought to settle down there.

You have a boyfriend in Finland, and if you would already have a job offer in Finland I would say "Try it out, it will be an interesting experience.".

Coming without a job and without the intention to stay long-term sounds like a huge gamble that is likely to make you unhappy.

Unrelated note:
Are you looking only for a job in Turku? If yes, then you should also consider looking at jobs in Tampere or the Helsinki metropolitan area. I'd still not be too optimistic, but that's at least more potential jobs.

Not sure u ever been experience working abroad, but I did read somewhere it said it will be easier for me to moving surround European country if I can make it to get job and live anywhere within Schengen country. Let say if I’m lucky enough to get place at Finland, 3-4 years after if I ever plan to move to Germany, I have better chance. Not sure it’s sounds right or not?

Thanks

I am a foreigner (German) living in Finland. But I came for a job and I am an EU citizen, so that's a completely different situation.

Schengen is about traveling without border controls. You already have a passport that allows you to enter the Schengen area without a visa, so there would not be a significant change for you if you'd get a Finnish residence permit.

Having a Finnish residence permit would not give you any rights to live or work in Germany or any other EU country - you would still have to apply for that from scratch.

And in Germany you will really need to be able to speak German, even more than you need to be able to speak Finnish in Finland.

But after 4 years in Finland on a non-student visa you could apply for Finnish citizenship, and that would give you the suable right to live and work in any EU country.

On the other hand, if your Finnish husband would move to Germany, then that should also give you the right to live with him in Germany.

[cors187]

Australian immigration is the worst ever on the planet.

Seriously? I am toying with the idea of moving to Australia.

I think you have to understand the Aussie.

We will take anything of value , but to the useless , lets cut them out like cancer.