From kenya to finland
From kenya to finland
Hey guys. I currently live in kenya and would like to relocate to finland as a worker. I have visited Finland twice and I think it's a country I'd happily relocate to. Anyone knows any leads on how to go about this? any companies willing to employ people from outside finland and send employment letter to facilitate processing of work permit? PS: I'll do any jobs and most likely odd jobs since I understand they are easily available. Thanks
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Odd jobs will not get you a work permit. To get a residence permit based on work as a non-EU citizen, you need to have a work contract where you have special skills that are needed for the job or find a job that there is a labor shortage inside Finland and the EU. Most employers also require fluent Finnish skills.
https://migri.fi/en/residence-permit-fo ... yed-person
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IT jobs.
There is a huge demand and no supply so companies hire overseas massively, use English for everything, and the laws are easier and the immigration processes are simpler and much faster (specialist permit). Often with full relocation packages.
If you're not trained for that... no idea
PS: you don't need a degree for IT jobs, and a degree alone would get you nowhere.
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It's not like that. Sure, Finnish in many jobs isn't a requirement, but not speaking it is still a limiting factor for the number of available jobs.agroot wrote: βThu Sep 23, 2021 9:44 pmIT jobs.
There is a huge demand and no supply so companies hire overseas massively, use English for everything, and the laws are easier and the immigration processes are simpler and much faster (specialist permit). Often with full relocation packages.
If you're not trained for that... no idea
PS: you don't need a degree for IT jobs, and a degree alone would get you nowhere.
Furthermore, IT as a field is a broad term, there's no "generic" IT job. There are available jobs, but due to their specific requirements - working experience with certain technologies, possibly also in a certain field - a minority of them are actually available to any given person.
Obviously employers want people that can jump in and start producing fairly quickly. Entry level positions do require a degree or at least working experience otherwise, and of course means starting at the bottom (career- and salary-wise).
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In recent years there is a trend that even Finnish IT companies who were previously using Finnish are switching to English because there are not that many qualified Finns available, and employees from Asia tend to accept lower salaries.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 amIt's not like that. Sure, Finnish in many jobs isn't a requirement, but not speaking it is still a limiting factor for the number of available jobs.agroot wrote: βThu Sep 23, 2021 9:44 pmIT jobs.
There is a huge demand and no supply so companies hire overseas massively, use English for everything, and the laws are easier and the immigration processes are simpler and much faster (specialist permit). Often with full relocation packages.
If you're not trained for that... no idea
PS: you don't need a degree for IT jobs, and a degree alone would get you nowhere.
This is true, but either you have skills in high demand or you don't have such skills.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 amFurthermore, IT as a field is a broad term, there's no "generic" IT job. There are available jobs, but due to their specific requirements - working experience with certain technologies, possibly also in a certain field - a minority of them are actually available to any given person.
Either there are plenty of companies searching for your skills (and some of them will not require Finnish), or you will in any case struggle to find a job.
Finnish companies cannot reliably judge a degree or working experience from a country like Kenya, making it harder for them to hire applicants from abroad.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 amObviously employers want people that can jump in and start producing fairly quickly. Entry level positions do require a degree or at least working experience otherwise, and of course means starting at the bottom (career- and salary-wise).
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Yes, the "IT" workers can almost always use English between themselves, I was referring to jobs, of which there are many, where the internal and/or external customers don't (prefer to) speak English, or the end product and/or the work specification at least in parts is in Finnish.FinlandGirl wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 8:58 amIn recent years there is a trend that even Finnish IT companies who were previously using Finnish are switching to English because there are not that many qualified Finns available, and employees from Asia tend to accept lower salaries.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 amIt's not like that. Sure, Finnish in many jobs isn't a requirement, but not speaking it is still a limiting factor for the number of available jobs.agroot wrote: βThu Sep 23, 2021 9:44 pm
IT jobs.
There is a huge demand and no supply so companies hire overseas massively, use English for everything, and the laws are easier and the immigration processes are simpler and much faster (specialist permit). Often with full relocation packages.
If you're not trained for that... no idea
PS: you don't need a degree for IT jobs, and a degree alone would get you nowhere.
Sure. The point I was trying to make is that the amount of job listings, by job titles alone, may be a bit misleading. E.g. a "software engineer" covers a much wider array of jobs, and hence job requirements, than, say, a "car mechanic".FinlandGirl wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 8:58 amThis is true, but either you have skills in high demand or you don't have such skills.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 amFurthermore, IT as a field is a broad term, there's no "generic" IT job. There are available jobs, but due to their specific requirements - working experience with certain technologies, possibly also in a certain field - a minority of them are actually available to any given person.
Either there are plenty of companies searching for your skills (and some of them will not require Finnish), or you will in any case struggle to find a job.
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Yes, positions that require interaction with external Finnish customers often require Finnish.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 9:46 amYes, the "IT" workers can almost always use English between themselves, I was referring to jobs, of which there are many, where the internal and/or external customers don't (prefer to) speak English, or the end product and/or the work specification at least in parts is in Finnish.FinlandGirl wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 8:58 amIn recent years there is a trend that even Finnish IT companies who were previously using Finnish are switching to English because there are not that many qualified Finns available, and employees from Asia tend to accept lower salaries.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 am
It's not like that. Sure, Finnish in many jobs isn't a requirement, but not speaking it is still a limiting factor for the number of available jobs.
I was referring to the language Finnish companies are using for all internal communication, except for international companies this is usually Finnish.
This is now changing in some companies (and our major is also suggesting that Helsinki should make English an official language dropping requirements to speak Finnish or Swedish).
Full agreement on that.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 9:46 amSure. The point I was trying to make is that the amount of job listings, by job titles alone, may be a bit misleading. E.g. a "software engineer" covers a much wider array of jobs, and hence job requirements, than, say, a "car mechanic".FinlandGirl wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 8:58 amThis is true, but either you have skills in high demand or you don't have such skills.FinnGuyHelsinki wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 amFurthermore, IT as a field is a broad term, there's no "generic" IT job. There are available jobs, but due to their specific requirements - working experience with certain technologies, possibly also in a certain field - a minority of them are actually available to any given person.
Either there are plenty of companies searching for your skills (and some of them will not require Finnish), or you will in any case struggle to find a job.
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Before you even consider coming here to Finland, please beware of the following article in the Local English language Finnish State owned news today:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/unio ... d/12114024
No comments or opinions from me, just read the article..
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/unio ... d/12114024
No comments or opinions from me, just read the article..
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I'd say that's not true for the IT I know. There are no different compensations for foreigners and in fact we cost more because of relocation package and extra assistances that Finns don't need, and those are not even part of recruitment consideration. At least it is so where I work and for senior levels.NukkuMatti wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 6:50 pmBefore you even consider coming here to Finland, please beware of the following article in the Local English language Finnish State owned news today:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/unio ... d/12114024
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As I said, it was without comment or opinion, I do however know that IT of senior positions like you mention, is not the major work force of Finland (understatement) and therefore in the statistics used for the article (and basically real life / whole Finnish workforce) negligible.agroot wrote: βSat Sep 25, 2021 11:57 pmI'd say that's not true for the IT I know. There are no different compensations for foreigners and in fact we cost more because of relocation package and extra assistances that Finns don't need, and those are not even part of recruitment consideration. At least it is so where I work and for senior levels.NukkuMatti wrote: βFri Sep 24, 2021 6:50 pmBefore you even consider coming here to Finland, please beware of the following article in the Local English language Finnish State owned news today:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/unio ... d/12114024
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True but I doubt he or she would be able to come here by any other wayNukkuMatti wrote: βMon Sep 27, 2021 10:48 pmAs I said, it was without comment or opinion, I do however know that IT of senior positions like you mention, is not the major work force of Finland (understatement) and therefore in the statistics used for the article (and basically real life / whole Finnish workforce) negligible.
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Marriage...agroot wrote: βTue Oct 05, 2021 1:09 amTrue but I doubt he or she would be able to come here by any other wayNukkuMatti wrote: βMon Sep 27, 2021 10:48 pmAs I said, it was without comment or opinion, I do however know that IT of senior positions like you mention, is not the major work force of Finland (understatement) and therefore in the statistics used for the article (and basically real life / whole Finnish workforce) negligible.
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I can promise you there are other ways to go to finland e.g marriage(like mentioned above) aupair, studies...etc so don't be so doubtful
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The Au-pair residency has a maximum of 1 year I believe and is not possible to extend and lots of requirements, so no option if you want to stay here.
Studies will mean deep pockets because you will need to pay for the university / university of applied sciences as a non EU citizen, you also need to get accepted first as well.. but not impossible indeed, but no guarantees you will get an extension after your studies (unless you study to become f.e. a doctor).
https://migri.fi/en/studying-in-finland
So yes there are more options available but the ones that are (in regards to your question in your original post) applicable to you might be limited to marriage alone, or you need to have deep filled pockets...in that case considering the amount needed, it might be better to live somewhere with less foreigner hatred and lower living costs, more light / less darkness, less mosquitoes.
The Netherlands might be an opportunity and no language requirements other than English for most jobs, huge African communities, easier and more job opportunities. Lots of Coffee-shops!!!
Once you live there, it is easier to move to Finland too...if you still want after your experiences in Amsterdam compared to Helsinki...
Anyway good luck with your plans..