Mom as Nanny (from Asia)

[character]

We are going to have our first baby soon , and I would like to get my mom from Asia here as FULLTIME NANNY. We wish her to be part of the upbringing of her grandchild from the beginning .

We both earn, so we can pay her the ~250€/week (that's what I've been hearing) + taxes to government.
Can someone be so kind to take me through the necessary details/requirements and steps to take??

It would be of great help if someone can share their own experiences (via PM if not public), if they have gone through such case themselves.

NOTE1: We're both Non-EU, Non-Nationals, although I have Finnish Permanent Residence permit
NOTE2: She does not qualify as an Au-pair, as she is over 30

[Pursuivant]

Can someone be so kind to take me through the necessary details/requirements and steps to take?

Yes, you need to find a simple majority to pass the legislation in Parliament to make them change the immigration law into what you like.

[character]

Yes, you need to find a simple majority to pass the legislation in Parliament to make them change the immigration law into what you like.

Well, I am not a citizen and thus the grandmother case under discussion will not apply to "us" . Nanny is an employment relationship with payments, taxes etc. Only that the Nanny is the grandmother of the child, same same but different

[desert nomad]

You say you're a permanent resident and yet you have no idea about what goes on in this country! The story of the two grandmothers that was covered in almost every media outlet and went on for months creating numerous debates never seemed to cross you. Trying to go around the law by bringing her as an employee won't work.

[interleukin]

To get her here as a worker, you would need to show that there is no one else in the EU who can do the babysitting. Not very likely to happen. The cases of the Russian grandmothers is highly relevant to your case.

[littlepenguin]

We are going to have our first baby soon , and I would like to get my mom from Asia here as FULLTIME NANNY. We wish her to be part of the upbringing of her grandchild from the beginning .

We both earn, so we can pay her the ~250€/week (that's what I've been hearing) + taxes to government.
Can someone be so kind to take me through the necessary details/requirements and steps to take??

It would be of great help if someone can share their own experiences (via PM if not public), if they have gone through such case themselves.

NOTE1: We're both Non-EU, Non-Nationals, although I have Finnish Permanent Residence permit
NOTE2: She does not qualify as an Au-pair, as she is over 30

There is a big difference in both the cases you guys are talking about in the grandmother's case. This guy does not have a citizenship, but the children of those grandmothers had finnish citizenship, this is a point to understand.

[character]

You say you're a permanent resident and yet you have no idea about what goes on in this country! The story of the two grandmothers that was covered in almost every media outlet and went on for months creating numerous debates never seemed to cross you. Trying to go around the law by bringing her as an employee won't work.

Sorry but quite the opposite. Getting a Nanny is perfectly legal and does not going around the law.
The problem in the russian grandmother cases is that Finland does not know how to deal with those ladies that will come here and will not pay any taxes and will be burdon on the social system. Atleast this wont happen in this case as I am ready to pay the necessary FEE to fit her legally into the system.

[desert nomad]

There is a big difference in both the cases you guys are talking about in the grandmother's case. This guy does not have a citizenship, but the children of those grandmothers had finnish citizenship, this is a point to understand.

So if grandmothers of Finnish nationals weren't allowed to stay, you think it would be different for non nationals.

[character]

To get her here as a worker, you would need to show that there is no one else in the EU who can do the babysitting. Not very likely to happen. The cases of the Russian grandmothers is highly relevant to your case.

Well, I think that in this case, the no-one-else-in-EU can be avoided as for this Nanny, we will need EXACT language requirements!
Correct me if I am wrong: I suspect that the russian/egyptian grandmothers have never offered to be a TAX PAYING NANNY, with proper fulltime employment/worker relationship..

[desert nomad]

I suspect that the russian/egyptian grandmothers have never offered to be a TAX PAYING NANNY, with proper fulltime employment/worker relationship..

Their sons/daughters were willing to assume their expenses.

[character]

I suspect that the russian/egyptian grandmothers have never offered to be a TAX PAYING NANNY, with proper fulltime employment/worker relationship..

Their sons/daughters were willing to assume their expenses.

Assume their expenses of living can be in many different ways, mostly that they will cover their living expenses i.e. those grandmothers were/are here on Finnish-national-getting-his-dependant-mother/relative-to-Finland. This is a dependant-family/relative-type case. This is completely different case to mine - which is a worker permit type case. Remember, I may hire a nanny from Mexico, Brazil, Kenya or any other part of the world. Please do not confuse this case with the recent grandmother cases, just because the Nanny will be a grandmother aswell .

What say you??

[interleukin]

Don´t take my comment personally, I am not the one who decides the residence permits. The thing is that if she is here and working for a few years, she gets the right to stay and get health care and all that. And in a few years when you do not need a nanny any more, you have your mom here living permanently for free and she gets the right to live off the system (health care and all that). That is how the bureaucratic systems sees it. This is why the Russian grandmothers are not allowed to stay. If they are allowed to stay long enough, they get the right to get taken care of even if their families can not do it. And why do you think that the Finnish immigrations would start giving people "free" residence permits to your mother just because you feel like putting a certain language requirement? That is a really silly expectation to make. If your kid needs to learn a certain language, you speak to it in that language or you move to a country where it can get a nanny with that language.

[character]

Don´t take my comment personally, I am not the one who decides the residence permits. The thing is that if she is here and working for a few years, she gets the right to stay and get health care and all that. And in a few years when you do not need a nanny any more, you have your mom here living permanently for free and she gets the right to live off the system (health care and all that). That is how the bureaucratic systems sees it. This is why the Russian grandmothers are not allowed to stay. If they are allowed to stay long enough, they get the right to get taken care of even if their families can not do it. And why do you think that the Finnish immigrations would start giving people "free" residence permits to your mother just because you feel like putting a certain language requirement? That is a really silly expectation to make. If your kid needs to learn a certain language, you speak to it in that language or you move to a country where it can get a nanny with that language.

Many thanks for constructive criticism.
I understand perfectly what you are saying but that is exact reason why Finlnad is feeling the heat from international sphere these days and the law makers are tumbling over their feet to draft a law which is saner (acceptable). All workers come here and they pay taxes and even become nationals after some time, and enjoy the benefits and healthcare and all that - no body thinks of that??

Anyways, what you said is correct BUT that is the barrier I would like to hit - coz that is based on a generalized assumption by Finnish immigration. If there is a rejection, it is . But, I dont want to make personal decisions (and maybe naive) on behalf of the directorate of immigration. That is unfortunate that the Finnish law is built like it is...

That is why I would like to know the proper steps for getting a nanny . Well, if the language requirement are not that "impressive" I will have to draft some better ones .

Advice is much appreciated.

[interleukin]

I think you are on the right path in that you are asking questions and considering possible strategies and not just assuming things without finding them out. I hope it works out to get her here.

[Upphew]

That is why I would like to know the proper steps for getting a nanny . Well, if the language requirement are not that "impressive" I will have to draft some better ones .

Advice is much appreciated.

You try to find one in Finland, then you try to find one in EU. If you have done that and can prove it so the authorities believe you, you can find one outside of EU.
Then you need to take care of wages, taxes, insurances, healthcare, worksafety etc etc... better to start read up. Some pointer: migri.fi tax.fi palkka.fi tyosuojelu.fi