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RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by Linkto3 » Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm

Hello everyone, I have a scenario of working for RP base on other ground (intimate relationship) need your insight, here we go:

on Migri website mentions right to work could be in an international organisation
However I need clarification, specifically: the company is based in Dubai, hence all the payment and wages will be sent from there, works would involve between Asia and Dubai only (no involve of business partner in Finland) the company does not have office in Finland.

So am I eligible to work for this company while I reside in Finland with RP base on other ground? If I am allowed then I will be the one who pay taxes, not my employer is that right? How the health insurance works in my case? I have looked up at Kela but find no results.

Furthermore, if I want to open my own consultant business (freelance, start-up) following all would that be feasible?


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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by FinlandGirl » Thu May 28, 2020 4:48 pm

Linkto3 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm
Hello everyone, I have a scenario of working for RP base on other ground (intimate relationship) need your insight, here we go:

on Migri website mentions right to work could be in an international organisation
However I need clarification, specifically: the company is based in Dubai, hence all the payment and wages will be sent from there, works would involve between Asia and Dubai only (no involve of business partner in Finland) the company does not have office in Finland.

So am I eligible to work for this company while I reside in Finland with RP base on other ground?
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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by albacore » Fri May 29, 2020 6:22 pm

Update: I was mistaken. Thanks to FinlandGirl for pointing it out
Last edited by albacore on Fri May 29, 2020 10:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by FinlandGirl » Fri May 29, 2020 10:10 pm

albacore wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 6:22 pm
As long as your PR is based on family ties, you should be able to work for any company in the world remotely.
Family ties is a different RP.

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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by albacore » Fri May 29, 2020 10:57 pm

FinlandGirl wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 10:10 pm


Family ties is a different RP.
My bad. Thanks. Fixed.
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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by betelgeuse » Sat May 30, 2020 10:44 am

Linkto3 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm
So am I eligible to work for this company while I reside in Finland with RP base on other ground?
Your best bet is to qualify for this: "in a specialist position requiring special skills". You are a specialist, for example, when making more than 3k and the job requires a degree.

https://migri.fi/en/specialist/en
Linkto3 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm
If I am allowed then I will be the one who pay taxes, not my employer is that right?
Your employer will have duties to take care of unless you register as a private trader with the tax authority.

https://www.ytj.fi/en/index/notificatio ... rader.html
Linkto3 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm
How the health insurance works in my case?
Finnish health system access is tied to residence status.
Linkto3 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm
Furthermore, if I want to open my own consultant business (freelance, start-up) following all would that be feasible?
Yes, for example, as a specialist. You are only permitted to have a consultant business for any of the purposes you could do salaried work for.

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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by betelgeuse » Sat May 30, 2020 10:46 am

betelgeuse wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 10:44 am
Your employer will have duties to take care of unless you register as a private trader with the tax authority.
Here's the details:

https://www.vero.fi/en/businesses-and-c ... n_employe/

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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by FinlandGirl » Sat May 30, 2020 11:03 am

betelgeuse wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 10:44 am
Linkto3 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm
So am I eligible to work for this company while I reside in Finland with RP base on other ground?
Your best bet is to qualify for this: "in a specialist position requiring special skills". You are a specialist, for example, when making more than 3k and the job requires a degree.

https://migri.fi/en/specialist/en
"with an employer operating in Finland"

I would expect the same to apply to the similar wording for the RP based on Other Grounds.

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Post by betelgeuse » Sat May 30, 2020 11:25 am

FinlandGirl wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 11:03 am
"with an employer operating in Finland"

I would expect the same to apply to the similar wording for the RP based on Other Grounds.
I doubt you can find support for this position in the Aliens Act.

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Post by FinlandGirl » Sat May 30, 2020 1:15 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 11:25 am
FinlandGirl wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 11:03 am
"with an employer operating in Finland"

I would expect the same to apply to the similar wording for the RP based on Other Grounds.
I doubt you can find support for this position in the Aliens Act.
With your reading of the Aliens Act, any specialist in the world would be entitled to a Finnish RP as specialist even when the employment is abroad and there isn't any connection at all with Finland.

In practice she has to ask Migri (or a Finnish lawyer specialized in immigration law) whether specialist work for an employer abroad is possible at all with the RP on Other Grounds, and if yes what the criteria are for qualifying as specialist in that case.

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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by Linkto3 » Sat May 30, 2020 3:27 pm

Thank you all for your share and clarification, it seems I will not be eligible to any of the above unless I submit my question to Migri and they say yes :lightbulb:
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Post by betelgeuse » Sun May 31, 2020 12:04 pm

FinlandGirl wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 1:15 pm
With your reading of the Aliens Act, any specialist in the world would be entitled to a Finnish RP as specialist even when the employment is abroad and there isn't any connection at all with Finland.
The Aliens Act controls the connected but separate facets of residence rights and rights to work. Since she already has the former, we are only interested in the latter. If she is applying for a family permit next, Migri will never investigate the job.
FinlandGirl wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 1:15 pm
In practice she has to ask Migri (or a Finnish lawyer specialized in immigration law) whether specialist work for an employer abroad is possible at all with the RP on Other Grounds, and if yes what the criteria are for qualifying as specialist in that case.
Sanctions are on the employer (not employee) so it's primarily up to them on how much they deem it prudent to investigate. If she register as a private trader, I don't see any practical mechanism that would sanction either her or the client. Can you come up with one? Of course, asking for an opinion from qualified people is the best way to be sure.

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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by fintel » Sun May 31, 2020 1:49 pm

Linkto3 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm
#RP base on other ground (intimate relationship)
#Migri website mentions right to work could be in an international organisation
#Company is based in Dubai, hence all the payment and wages will be sent from there
Your intimate relationship grounds application doesn't require you to disclose what kind of work you will do in future. Do not send emails to migri asking about work rights. Instead focus on proving the intimacy part of the relationship, a statement of your dating relationship and possible living together, written statement of the reasons why apply for a residence permit on other grounds. Rental agreements signed together or a joint bank account statement. Don't make your case about work, make it about the relationship. The only reason people require a resident permit is to answer one simple question, "Why are you in Finland", and your reason is very simple, "because I love my Finnish partner". Do not make it any more complicated than that!

Once RP is granted, you can work remotely for a company in Dubai and they can pay you in your UAE bank account. If you win the lottery in Singapore, you can keep that money too. If you wish to begin your own startup, I would imagine that you can assume the title of "Director" in Finland and that would satisfy the top or middle management of a company or in a specialist position requiring special skills.
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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by Linkto3 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:13 pm

@fintel
Thank you! that is sharp point of view, indeed i am worried a lots about the whole RP especially I am from third country, all my bank statements need to submit when apply, they may ask source of the money appear on my bank account, that's the only reason i need to ask. but you are right, the process will only focus on the relationship rather than other aspects.
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Re: RP on other ground (intimate relationship) How the right to work fit?

Post by FinlandGirl » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:35 pm

fintel wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 1:49 pm
Once RP is granted, you can work remotely for a company in Dubai and they can pay you in your UAE bank account. If you win the lottery in Singapore, you can keep that money too.
Stop trying to destroy other peoples lives.

If anyone gives a tip to the Finnish tax office this will result in a criminal charge likely followed by a revoked residence permit.


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