I agree with a lot of what you said but I dont think my comment specifically implied that you should serve the military. What is your reason for not being able to do a civil service then? The Finnish society highly value fairness, so it sounded ridiculous when someone brought up a public discussion about getting a lawyer involved in order to dodge his duty because he is in a rush to get the citizenship and cannot wait for a couple of months longer. I also need to clarify that my suggestion to register a new gender as female was a pure naive suggestion of idea and did not mean to offend anyone masculinity or smartness, so maybe put your sensitiveness on a leash next timepetbek-125 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:16 amHere we go again another "big man" who is so proud of his masculinity and telling everyone to go to the army. Look if you are naive enough to think there is honor in dying for a piece of cloth called flag and some ridiculous words called anthem, thats your thing, but some of us are just too smart to buy that horsesh¤%t. Pulling triggers is easy, but i would rather be the one sending naive soldiers to die than to be the one dying for some weapon industries and rich decision makers while they drink their champagne. If the "dignity, honor, bravery"- package is a source of self-value and self-respect to you, good for you. As a pragmatic person i know we r just punch of animals born on this planet, every childish group calling themselves by some nationality and drawing ridiculous symbols on some cloth material. I wouldnt die for any country neither Finland nor the one in which i was born. You probably thinking why dont they man up, but we r thinking why dont you smart up .parrraxitamoan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:40 amIf serving the military is so much of a burden to you, when registering as a new citizen, you can choose your gender as a female and then after 30 you can change it back to male how come people who aren't born Finnish want to be part of the society and enjoy all benefits but can't bare the cost? even if that is the case, just wait for a couple of months/years later then, it is still a privilege because Finnish born don't have that choice.yrtti wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:15 amI'm also interested in hearing from other people who got citizenship at or around the age of 30. I'm sure there's some of those people in the forums here.
In another thread (which I cannot find now on mobile) called (Max age for conscription), there was a very long discussion on the rules for drafting. A native ultimately translated the law and it said "The age for mandatory military service ends the year that the citizen turns 31". Meaning that getting citizenship any time before that year means you have to go. For example, if you turned 30 on July 20th 2021 and got citizenship in November 20th 2021, you still have to go. Though whether or not they'd grab you immediately before the end of the year and draft you is very unlikely and another case.
There was then even another clause which was that you had to first be put into the draft and for this the mandatory responsibility ended at age 30. You had to have been drafted to serve, which technically means it's not possible to serve after age 30. Making the former paragraph whereby duty to serve ends in the year in which you turn 31, being a moot point.
BUT someone mentioned in the other thread that doesn't apply to naturalised citizens (all of us).
At this point I think one of us should talk to a lawyer... I used to have free legal aid but I don't any more...
The only case I've heard of someone going at age 30 was a person who got citizenship granted in September at age 29 and turned 30 in December and was called for draft starting January of next year regardless. I don't know if that counts for those of us who will get citizenship after age 30.
I am very qualified to say what I said and willing to stand by my words but do you really think you are that qualified for your lousy claims yrtti - off topic chatty guy? Are you sure I am the egoist one here? I never understand people who think they have done so much for Finland after having paid taxes for some years and don’t see that ‘regular’ Finns have been paying taxes for generations but arent interested in making such claim. So maybe enlighten me on this if you would?