Citizenship Application 2021

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betelgeuse
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by betelgeuse » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:36 pm

Maaria wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:25 pm
betelgeuse wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:09 pm

If one has faulty population records (later dates than actual), one can ask DVV to retroactively correct the records.

https://www.suomi.fi/palvelut/vaestotie ... 2b4d2d7e78

Though there are rules for how much to the past they are willing to go, for example. There's also the interplay with GDPR.
If they refuse to correct then what can be done? My spouse made an application along with our child at the same time to register at dvv and for 4 months they kept saying it's in the queue waiting to processed while they processed our child's registration around a month after application. Then finally 4 months later they said they can't find the application and asked my spouse to apply again and this time they did the registration immediately but at the current date of 2nd application. After repeated request of corretiing the date of registration they asked him to make an appointment and bring proof he was in Finland all those times. He showed up at the appointment with the proofs but they still refused to correct and said nothing can be done.

Based on suomi fi link on your post, they are obliged to correct. So do you have any advice what to do? Thanks.
They are required to give you a written decision with appeal instructions. You can then appeal.

” Jos rekisterinpitäjä kieltäytyy korjaamasta väestötietojärjestelmään talletettua tietoa, jota rekisteröity on vaatinut korjattavaksi, on rekisterinpitäjän annettava asiassa päätös.”

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betelgeuse
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by betelgeuse » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:38 pm

maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:49 pm
I checked DVV but it’s mentioned that if the case is longer than 4 years, they don’t do anything. So they won’t correct if it’s over 4 years. Even if it’s less than 4 years, I better wait than getting involved Finnish bureaucracy which is a nightmare.
I referenced GDPR because I was wondering if GDPR forces the four year limit to be ignored (supremacy of EU law).

Alexithymia_again
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Alexithymia_again » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:56 am

Momomamo wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:51 pm
Any person who is waiting 19 months or more and hasn't gotten a decision yet?
Or any person who applied on 2019 and got the response recently?
It’s been 18 months, 19th is ongoing. I asked and got the same reply with the “currently overloaded with applications etc etc... and that decision time is 5-19 months. Proved ID in Oct 2019.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by FinlandGirl » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:19 am

maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:13 pm
Another factor is, again according to them, they rarely (I mean very rarely) take student RP time under consideration. It’s basically A permit which you need to have for 4-5 years. Also, very important point, YOUR RESIDENCY IS CALCULATED FROM THE FIRST DAY YOU REGISTER YOUR ADDRESS. NOT THE DAY YOUR RP STARTS. You can go to suomi.fi to see when you registered your address in Finland.

My situation is that my address registration started in May, that’s why I will get decision in May. They have not counted my student RP at all even though it was continuous. So it means that I actually applied to citizenship 14 months before my residency time fulfill 😱.
For how long were you registered as student in Finland?

The Migri website says that time on B permit is not counted for the 4 years based on strong ties.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by maskara » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:33 am

FinlandGirl wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:19 am
maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:13 pm
Another factor is, again according to them, they rarely (I mean very rarely) take student RP time under consideration. It’s basically A permit which you need to have for 4-5 years. Also, very important point, YOUR RESIDENCY IS CALCULATED FROM THE FIRST DAY YOU REGISTER YOUR ADDRESS. NOT THE DAY YOUR RP STARTS. You can go to suomi.fi to see when you registered your address in Finland.

My situation is that my address registration started in May, that’s why I will get decision in May. They have not counted my student RP at all even though it was continuous. So it means that I actually applied to citizenship 14 months before my residency time fulfill 😱.
For how long were you registered as student in Finland?

The Migri website says that time on B permit is not counted for the 4 years based on strong ties.

16 months as B permit , 3 years 11 months as A.

where does it say that it doesn’t count for based on strong ties? can u send a link pls.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by FinlandGirl » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:14 am

maskara wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:33 am
FinlandGirl wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:19 am
maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:13 pm
Another factor is, again according to them, they rarely (I mean very rarely) take student RP time under consideration. It’s basically A permit which you need to have for 4-5 years. Also, very important point, YOUR RESIDENCY IS CALCULATED FROM THE FIRST DAY YOU REGISTER YOUR ADDRESS. NOT THE DAY YOUR RP STARTS. You can go to suomi.fi to see when you registered your address in Finland.

My situation is that my address registration started in May, that’s why I will get decision in May. They have not counted my student RP at all even though it was continuous. So it means that I actually applied to citizenship 14 months before my residency time fulfill 😱.
For how long were you registered as student in Finland?

The Migri website says that time on B permit is not counted for the 4 years based on strong ties.

16 months as B permit , 3 years 11 months as A.
That's less than 4 years on A, and with B counted half that's 4 years 7 months which is less than 5 years.
maskara wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:33 am
where does it say that it doesn’t count for based on strong ties? can u send a link pls.
https://migri.fi/en/period-of-residence

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by akuno_hime_1412 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:24 pm

@FinlandGirl, it doesn't say that B permit prior to A permit is not counted

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by maskara » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:58 pm

FinlandGirl wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:14 am
maskara wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:33 am
FinlandGirl wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:19 am


For how long were you registered as student in Finland?

The Migri website says that time on B permit is not counted for the 4 years based on strong ties.

16 months as B permit , 3 years 11 months as A.
That's less than 4 years on A, and with B counted half that's 4 years 7 months which is less than 5 years.
maskara wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:33 am
where does it say that it doesn’t count for based on strong ties? can u send a link pls.
https://migri.fi/en/period-of-residence
I didn’t find where it says that B permit time is not included in 4 years or for strong ties.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Momomamo » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pm

Alexithymia_again wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:56 am
Momomamo wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:51 pm
Any person who is waiting 19 months or more and hasn't gotten a decision yet?
Or any person who applied on 2019 and got the response recently?
It’s been 18 months, 19th is ongoing. I asked and got the same reply with the “currently overloaded with applications etc etc... and that decision time is 5-19 months. Proved ID in Oct 2019.
For me is about 18 months also, proved ID nov 2019. I have some other friends, all middle-eastern or sub-continental, who wait around same timing. Was wondering if we have anyone waiting more than 19 months from the same demographics and haven't received a decision yet?
So frustrating all these fake excuses and discrimination. 😟
I wish they would be honest if they don't want to process the application timely so we could make decision for our lives.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Alexithymia_again » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:00 am

Momomamo wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pm
Alexithymia_again wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:56 am
Momomamo wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:51 pm
Any person who is waiting 19 months or more and hasn't gotten a decision yet?
Or any person who applied on 2019 and got the response recently?
It’s been 18 months, 19th is ongoing. I asked and got the same reply with the “currently overloaded with applications etc etc... and that decision time is 5-19 months. Proved ID in Oct 2019.
For me is about 18 months also, proved ID nov 2019. I have some other friends, all middle-eastern or sub-continental, who wait around same timing. Was wondering if we have anyone waiting more than 19 months from the same demographics and haven't received a decision yet?
So frustrating all these fake excuses and discrimination. 😟
I wish they would be honest if they don't want to process the application timely so we could make decision for our lives.
It’s same here, few friends who applied in nov are still waiting. Things might get better (not for us but others from the same backgrounds as you mentioned) as I saw on migri’s website that they are hiring 4 or 5 people to deal with the backlog of applications in Helsinki, raisio, Oulu and Lahti starting from May until dec.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by oonao » Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:19 pm

Got my positive decision today🎉

Visited migri on 22.09.2020, so overall took ~6months. I supplemented my application with new payslips and travel info every 2 months or so.

In the morning my Kamu queue number was 2181. And then i got decision in few hours without any further requests or being in stage 2.

I'm from European country, stayed as student with B RP for ~4 years and then ~3 years with A working RP. So resident time on B permit counts if it's not interrupted!

Wish everyone to get their decision soon😊

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by manamak » Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:25 pm

oonao wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:19 pm
Got my positive decision today🎉

Visited migri on 22.09.2020, so overall took ~6months. I supplemented my application with new payslips and travel info every 2 months or so.

In the morning my Kamu queue number was 2181. And then i got decision in few hours without any further requests or being in stage 2.

I'm from European country, stayed as student with B RP for ~4 years and then ~3 years with A working RP. So resident time on B permit counts if it's not interrupted!

Wish everyone to get their decision soon😊
Congrats. Tnx for sharing Happy to hear

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by SCHOOLDROPOUT » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:22 pm

Congrats @Alanbarriquel and @Oona!

matryoshka
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by matryoshka » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:27 am

Hi, here it starts for me too :)

Online submission: 15/03/2021
Visited Migri: 19/04/2021
Kamu queue today - 4777

Migri again is updating processing times, just saw on the website :shock:

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by mani121 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:46 pm

matryoshka wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:27 am
Hi, here it starts for me too :)

Online submission: 15/03/2021
Visited Migri: 19/04/2021
Kamu queue today - 4777

Migri again is updating processing times, just saw on the website :shock:
Yeah, it's again 5-7 month in Kamu


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