Buying/growing seeds/herbs?

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yrtti
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Buying/growing seeds/herbs?

Post by yrtti » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:48 pm

Hello all,

It's now getting soon time to make plans for Summer and growing seasons and so on. I have never had a garden in Finland but I figured this time I will rent one out for the Summer and maybe also grow some plants on my own at home and on my balcony.

The thing is, I know nothing about how to obtain seeds in Finland and what the rules are in buying them from overseas (inside or outside the EU).

I've checked on Tulli.fi website but the rules and regulations for seeds is written only in Finnish/Swedish with little to no information at all in English, especially pertaining to the import/export of seeds. I have tried to translate what there is in Finnish/Swedish but the info I found wasn't very conclusive about what was allowed and from where.

I am interested primarily only in seeds (almost exclusively herb seeds), although perhaps also small shrubs (but I think I would buy these domestically in Finland). I had a quick look at the restrictions on rare and endangered species and none of those from what I saw in their Latin names was of any interest to me. I don't want to just grow the same flowers and common plants that other people grow, I would like to grow some more uncommon types of herbs and such, such as Sansho Pepper.

Could I please get some information on growing? I would really quite like to grow a lot of herbs and dry them for storage and use later on. This will be quite a large project of mine during this Summer as I have recently started my early retirement. I would be happy to get any information from people who know the laws here in Finland and especially where to purchase seeds.

I have looked online for a while now and it seems quite hard to buy seeds online from within Finland. Though there are hundreds of stores in countries like Germany, Netherlands etc. that sell seeds and all of them have overseas shipping. Would I expect these to have been treated? Tulli.fi says that it's my responsibility to get them phytosanitized and to provide such a certificate from SYKE which needs to be applied for months in advance.

I had quick talk with a friend and they said I may have better success opening a small business that deals in the trading of plants. It's all very overwhelming.



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Re: Buying/growing seeds/herbs?

Post by Beep_Boop » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:23 pm

What kind of seeds?
Every case is unique. You can't measure the result of your application based on arbitrary anecdotes online.

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Re: Buying/growing seeds/herbs?

Post by inkku » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:01 am

What actually are you looking for?
You can order seeds online in Finland, there are several online shops. you can order seeds within the EU once you follow the national regulations. You can order seeds from outside of the EU once you follow EU regulation.

This is the page in Finnish which I believe you have checked, what is their what you don't understand?
https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/henkiloasia ... neskasvit/

"I have looked online for a while now and it seems quite hard to buy seeds online from within Finland."
Why do you find it hard? What is the problem?

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Re: Buying/growing seeds/herbs?

Post by yrtti » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:27 pm

inkku wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:01 am
What actually are you looking for?
What ever I want basically, so long as it isn't outright illegal like cannabis. Please try to understand, there's no good way from what I can find and have asked around to know what plants/seeds are banned in Finland. I am not talking about buying hemp seeds or whatever, but I am talking about growing native herbs and plants from other countries. There seems to be all manner rules and regulations not only regarding Finland's own legislation but also EU to go along with it. Such information isn't accessible generally from only one place but needs to be taken into account from multiple different sources, as is sadly always the case it seems for Finland.
inkku wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:01 am
You can order seeds online in Finland, there are several online shops.
Care to link them? Google is actually legitimately useless for this sort of thing. I'm pretty good with my Google-fu but whenever I try to find websites that stock seeds for plants that aren't, you know, mother's tulips or marigolds etc. I can't find anything. Apart from your garden variety tomato and flower sellers, there was one interesting site I looked at, https://nordicherbs.com/ but it is still "under construction". At this point I would be interested in even starting my own company and seed-growing, seed selling service but supply is the biggest problem here. Especially now that the UK has left the EU. From what I gathered in the past, you could buy seeds from the UK without any problems at all. Now it's totally up in the air what you can and can't do.
inkku wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:01 am
You can order seeds within the EU once you follow the national regulations. You can order seeds from outside of the EU once you follow EU regulation.
Look, I am just going to be straight with you. Can you be specific regarding the main points here? You say that it's all so easy to understand. Why then did you choose to not provide an example case? This just reads like "Oh all these rules and regulations are so simple to understand, what's the problem?" I legitimately am asking for the help.
inkku wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:01 am
This is the page in Finnish which I believe you have checked, what is their what you don't understand?
https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/henkiloasia ... neskasvit/
The translation Google provides is horrible and I can't find the same page in native English. I'm unsure whether or not the fact that I want to buy herb seeds specifically means that they are classified under the whole "gains, tubes, etc" rule either. It looks like inspection for anything not on the common list is literally 480€ per shipment, not including the cost of the phytosanitary cert which is insane.

Try to understand, or at least consider that where I come from. I can not only find 95% of what I want to buy within ~100km of my hometown, but I also can find the information on other species if I just ask locals or people down at the store or whatever. The resources for growing and importing are a million times more accessible than this. Finland is not only a flora wasteland by comparison, it's got the whole EU hand-holding to go with it. I realise it's an unfair statement to make because the geology and climate here doesn't exactly cater to the majority of plant species, but it's not like it seems legislation cares much about making it more accessible for interested parties.

To give you some example of what I intend to do with importing and growing and what my background is. Here is a somewhat relevant example. I share a very similar hobby/passion as this guy:

https://www.instagram.com/foifacht/
https://www.instagram.com/j.d.frei/

I like to store, grow and draw plants. In particular herbs, and not mother's marigolds. So all I am asking for is a little help on where to look. I don't expect people to do the research and legwork for me, but if people already know the answers to my questions, then I'd really appreciate them sharing the info, you know?

Thanks

EDIT: I've done a lot of reading and found some more interesting sites. So it seems only roughly 198 species are banned in Finland/EU that I have to worry about. Most of these seem banned because they are already a pest/problem in Finland and are growing everywhere already. Few are banned because they are simply very endangered species and only a qualified botanist is allowed to have them.

Otherwise buying seeds doesn't seem to be a big problem, so long as the weight of them is under 200g. I'm also not interested in importing any foods/grains etc. so that makes things less complicated. Now I guess I just need to find domestic sellers (of which there seems to be next to zero for what I am interested in) or look at mostly EU sellers that have phytosanitary certificates included.

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Re: Buying/growing seeds/herbs?

Post by Upphew » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:07 pm

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Re: Buying/growing seeds/herbs?

Post by yrtti » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:16 pm

Upphew wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:07 pm
yrtti wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:27 pm
Now I guess I just need to find domestic sellers (of which there seems to be next to zero for what I am interested in) or look at mostly EU sellers that have phytosanitary certificates included.
https://hyotykasviyhdistys.fi/tuote-osasto/siemenet/
https://www.siemenkauppa.com/22-yrtit-ja-maustekasvit
https://www.viherpeukalot.fi/yrttien-siemenet
https://siemenet.net/
https://www.viherkauppa.fi/content/fi/5 ... Yrtit.html
https://www.vaasankukkatori.fi/tuotteet/siemenet (over 100 page catalog: https://digiplus.fi/www/Schetelig/2021_ ... index.html )
https://verkkokauppa.flor.fi/siemenet-j ... net/c/205/
https://www.plantagen.fi/yrttien-siemenet/
https://siemenjakone.fi/koti-ja-puutarh ... -siemenet/
http://www.mustila.fi/siemenhinnasto
https://www.exoticgarden.fi/

Maybe there is something that is interesting to you
Thank you so much. This is an absolute godsend!


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