Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by 007 » Mon May 28, 2012 5:45 pm

madsum wrote:

You r the only one who is talking based on law. There r huge stuff to read. I can't understand all of it :?

So do you think I can apply for citizenship with my current situation.
"Ehdotuksen mukaan esimerkiksi pelkän toimeentulotuen varassa eläminen ei estäisi eikä edes vaikeuttaisi kansalaisuuden saamista. " If you can prove that the sources of your income is legal and all that jazz, it's all good to go but it reads ehdotuksen mukaan -> now law or still under consideration :?

p.s. I might be wrong in my earlier post if this holds true.


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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Kutittaa » Mon May 28, 2012 5:50 pm

madsum wrote:

You r the only one who is talking based on law. There r huge stuff to read. I can't understand all of it :?

So do you think I can apply for citizenship with my current situation.
If you can't understand all of it then you can't get citizenship. Simple as that. Rather than being stupid and sitting around here waiting for an answer that you want to hear. You aren't going to get one.. Just wisen up.
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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by madsum » Mon May 28, 2012 5:54 pm


"Ehdotuksen mukaan esimerkiksi pelkän toimeentulotuen varassa eläminen ei estäisi eikä edes vaikeuttaisi kansalaisuuden saamista. " If you can prove that the sources of your income is legal and all that jazz, it's all good to go but it reads ehdotuksen mukaan -> now law or still under consideration :?

p.s. I might be wrong in my earlier post if this holds true.
May I know what is the source u got this information?

Also do u think my current source of income and over all situaion is fine or the application?

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by 007 » Mon May 28, 2012 6:02 pm

madsum wrote:

"Ehdotuksen mukaan esimerkiksi pelkän toimeentulotuen varassa eläminen ei estäisi eikä edes vaikeuttaisi kansalaisuuden saamista. " If you can prove that the sources of your income is legal and all that jazz, it's all good to go but it reads ehdotuksen mukaan -> now law or still under consideration :?

p.s. I might be wrong in my earlier post if this holds true.
May I know what is the source u got this information?

Also do u think my current source of income and over all situaion is fine or the application?
Lemme admit I was just looking around and didn't get into details. The above quote is from the citizenship proposal from rip's link. Upon further examining, rip has worked hard in finding out the relevent citizenship law from http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2004/20030359 esp. 5) hän pystyy luotettavasti selvittämään, miten saa toimeentulonsa.

If I were in your situation, based on the info I have got, I would apply if I want a citizenship.
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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by madsum » Mon May 28, 2012 6:27 pm

Thanks a lot guys! I'm gonna apply soon.

As it's written "ehdotuksen mukaan". Is this law already applied?

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Rip » Mon May 28, 2012 7:24 pm

007 wrote: now law or still under consideration
That was the government proposal for the Citizenship act approved in 2003. Unless some specific part of the legislation is changed during the later parliamentary process, and in this particular case I see nothing like that in the legislative material, these justification and explanatory texts are used by courts to interpret the actual text of the law.

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Rip » Mon May 28, 2012 7:29 pm

madsum wrote:
There r huge stuff to read. I can't understand all of it :?
I think you should be able to work through the quoted part at least. You passed the language test after all :)
So do you think I can apply for citizenship with my current situation.
If you have no problem with the other conditions (if you have 5+ years with A permit), then I'd say "yes" (As I think I already said in my first post on this topic on that other thread (though I did not have the link that time))

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Logic » Mon May 28, 2012 8:08 pm

Ah but some had a phone call or letter asking for an update of the work status and whether or not the person was in the same job while the application was being processed and if the decision maker was happy with the answer, the nice white folder was in the mailbox one week after.

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Rip » Mon May 28, 2012 9:23 pm

Yes, they want still to know where you get your money (as also said in the legal text I quoted) It is just that also KELA and sossu are acceptable answers.

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by madsum » Mon May 28, 2012 10:22 pm

Rip wrote:Yes, they want still to know where you get your money (as also said in the legal text I quoted) It is just that also KELA and sossu are acceptable answers.
I asked this question before in this thread but didn't get the answer:-

Does unemployment benefit from IAET-kassa considered as social benefit or not? Could you tell me.

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Rip » Mon May 28, 2012 10:43 pm

madsum wrote: Does unemployment benefit from IAET-kassa considered as social benefit or not? Could you tell me.
Regarding citizenship application the question is pointless. We had an earlier thread (which I am now unable to locate) where somebody confirmed from direct experience that unemployment benefit was income that could be used to fulfil the income requirement for applying a residence permit for a family member (while "toimeentulotuki" isn't such income)

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Kutittaa » Tue May 29, 2012 12:48 pm

Cory wrote:
Kutittaa wrote: If you can't understand all of it then you can't get citizenship. Simple as that. Rather than being stupid and sitting around here waiting for an answer that you want to hear. You aren't going to get one.. Just wisen up.
:? You're back.
Citizenship is granted based on a B level proficiency in Finnish. Legal jargon is often way above that. My language skills are good but even I have difficulties reading through legal mumbo jumbo.
Back? I've been back for almost 3 weeks.. and if you mean 'back' in the forums I never left... in fact, you disappeared for awhile and I was sorta wondering where you went.. :lol:
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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by madsum » Tue May 29, 2012 3:13 pm

Does unemployment benefit from IAET-kassa considered as social benefit or not? Could you tell me.

Well I'm asking this question not for citizenship application? I should have clear understandig among kela, soical and IAET-kassa benifits. I'm thinking to start another thead to get information for this topic. Diffference among Kela support, social support and IAET-kassa unemplyment support

Still askign here as it could knock some wise people.

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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by Rip » Tue May 29, 2012 3:17 pm

madsum wrote:Does unemployment benefit from IAET-kassa considered as social benefit or not?
I think you should define "In respect to what?"

I might consider it as one, in some statistics it may be considered social benefit, and in some other perhaps not. What is the question you are actually interested?
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Re: Apply for citizenship while unemployed?

Post by moon » Tue May 29, 2012 3:21 pm

i have applyd citizenship while unemployd
its was many years ago
actuly to make its more clear i have applyd 2 times
1 time i was employd a they manege to find some stupid reasin a denied me the citizen right
a the 2nd time they gave it
i was unemployd then
but married at all times
it costed in total 730 euro
a in mental health alot more...
i never had the test
i had problem with reading a writing a got paper for it from special teacher
it was at year 2005 when i got it


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