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heretostay
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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by Barber1 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:15 pm

heretostay wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:49 pm
https://migri.fi/en/faq-coronavirus

Under citizenship
Hi
Did you see this Tweet on the Immigration's Twitter ?
"#Maahanmuuttovirasto n kansalaisuushakemuksissa osa-automaatio on ollut käytössä 4kk. Vajaan vuoden aikana vireille tulleisiin ja myönteisiin päätöksiin on tehty automaattinen päätösehdotus 94% hakemuksista. #automaatio #rpa #digitalisaatio".
They say that they have already fulfilled 94% of the applications.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by toystory » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:15 pm

I live in Finland with my EU wife. I have a 5 year residence card for family members. My wife and I are buying a house soon. I want to eventually become a Finnish citizen. What are the chances of migri not granting citizenship in future? For example, if I make long term goals in Finland, what are the chances of my right residence being cancelled in future or citizenship being denied?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by betelgeuse » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:46 pm

Barber1 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:15 pm
Hi
Did you see this Tweet on the Immigration's Twitter ?
"#Maahanmuuttovirasto n kansalaisuushakemuksissa osa-automaatio on ollut käytössä 4kk. Vajaan vuoden aikana vireille tulleisiin ja myönteisiin päätöksiin on tehty automaattinen päätösehdotus 94% hakemuksista. #automaatio #rpa #digitalisaatio".
They say that they have already fulfilled 94% of the applications.
You have made a translation error. An automatic decision proposal (automaattinen päätösehdotus) still means an official needs to take a look at the proposal and make the decision.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by betelgeuse » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:47 pm

toystory wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:15 pm
I live in Finland with my EU wife. I have a 5 year residence card for family members. My wife and I are buying a house soon. I want to eventually become a Finnish citizen. What are the chances of migri not granting citizenship in future? For example, if I make long term goals in Finland, what are the chances of my right residence being cancelled in future or citizenship being denied?
To answer this question one needs to consult a lawyer to make account for personal circumstances and then be able to predict how politicians might change the laws.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by toystory » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:22 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:47 pm
toystory wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:15 pm
I live in Finland with my EU wife. I have a 5 year residence card for family members. My wife and I are buying a house soon. I want to eventually become a Finnish citizen. What are the chances of migri not granting citizenship in future? For example, if I make long term goals in Finland, what are the chances of my right residence being cancelled in future or citizenship being denied?
To answer this question one needs to consult a lawyer to make account for personal circumstances and then be able to predict how politicians might change the laws.
I have seen here many people submit financial documents when applying for citizenship, bank statements, payslips. If my purpose of residence is family and not a work based permit, why are financial circumstances relevant in that case? Is it true that everyone who applies for citizenship has to show that they have worked in the previous year or two? What if they are studying? Or taking a parental leave? etc.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by heretostay » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:44 pm

toystory wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:15 pm
I live in Finland with my EU wife. I have a 5 year residence card for family members. My wife and I are buying a house soon. I want to eventually become a Finnish citizen. What are the chances of migri not granting citizenship in future? For example, if I make long term goals in Finland, what are the chances of my right residence being cancelled in future or citizenship being denied?
There is unfortunately no certainty in these things. You have to just make the best decision you can with the information that you have. No one can accurately predict the future. As long as you meet the requirements, follow the rules, don’t break the laws, etc. as far as anyone can say you have a good chance of becoming a citizen. However, even migri says that even if all of the conditions are met, they do not have to grant citizenship. I haven’t heard of this being used before, but it means that nothing is guaranteed. There is really no certainty with anything in life; the current world situation should help remind everyone of this. My advice, is to do your homework, build your life, and trust that everything will work out exactly as it is supposed to. I wish you the best.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by Barber1 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:15 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:46 pm
Barber1 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:15 pm
Hi
Did you see this Tweet on the Immigration's Twitter ?
"#Maahanmuuttovirasto n kansalaisuushakemuksissa osa-automaatio on ollut käytössä 4kk. Vajaan vuoden aikana vireille tulleisiin ja myönteisiin päätöksiin on tehty automaattinen päätösehdotus 94% hakemuksista. #automaatio #rpa #digitalisaatio".
They say that they have already fulfilled 94% of the applications.
You have made a translation error. An automatic decision proposal (automaattinen päätösehdotus) still means an official needs to take a look at the proposal and make the decision.
thanks for the correction

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by betelgeuse » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:45 pm

heretostay wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:44 pm
However, even migri says that even if all of the conditions are met, they do not have to grant citizenship. I haven’t heard of this being used before, but it means that nothing is guaranteed.
I do want to see the source where Migri claims this or the alternatively point to me what the Nationality Act basis for this would be.

https://finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2003/20030359#L3P13
toystory wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:22 pm
I have seen here many people submit financial documents when applying for citizenship, bank statements, payslips. If my purpose of residence is family and not a work based permit, why are financial circumstances relevant in that case? Is it true that everyone who applies for citizenship has to show that they have worked in the previous year or two? What if they are studying? Or taking a parental leave? etc.
https://migri.fi/en/citizenship-applica ... of-support

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by finblack » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:49 pm

Has any male from West African country received decision within 3 to 6 months recently? It's weird that people are receiving decision between 3 to 6 months and we have to wait untill one year. I know someone whose application has crossed 1 year. Someone clear me on this because I don't know what to think.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by finblack » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:59 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:46 pm
Barber1 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:15 pm
Hi
Did you see this Tweet on the Immigration's Twitter ?
"#Maahanmuuttovirasto n kansalaisuushakemuksissa osa-automaatio on ollut käytössä 4kk. Vajaan vuoden aikana vireille tulleisiin ja myönteisiin päätöksiin on tehty automaattinen päätösehdotus 94% hakemuksista. #automaatio #rpa #digitalisaatio".
They say that they have already fulfilled 94% of the applications.
You have made a translation error. An automatic decision proposal (automaattinen päätösehdotus) still means an official needs to take a look at the proposal and make the decision.

Your resident can't be cancelled even after divorce as long as you have a job or a kid. If you divorce after 3 years , you automatically retain your right of residence.... After 5 years living in Finland, you get a permanent resident card for EU family member. 4 years living on Finland, if you are able to demonstrate that you have the Finnish language requirement, you can apply for citizenship.... If you are fast or lucky, you might even get your citizenship before. Decision on your permanent residence is made...

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by finblack » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:00 pm

toystory wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:15 pm
I live in Finland with my EU wife. I have a 5 year residence card for family members. My wife and I are buying a house soon. I want to eventually become a Finnish citizen. What are the chances of migri not granting citizenship in future? For example, if I make long term goals in Finland, what are the chances of my right residence being cancelled in future or citizenship being denied?

Your resident can't be cancelled even after divorce as long as you have a job or a kid. If you divorce after 3 years , you automatically retain your right of residence.... After 5 years living in Finland, you get a permanent resident card for EU family member. 4 years living on Finland, if you are able to demonstrate that you have the Finnish language requirement, you can apply for citizenship.... If you are fast or lucky, you might even get your citizenship before. Decision on your permanent residence is made...

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by Barber1 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:02 pm

finblack wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:49 pm
Has any male from West African country received decision within 3 to 6 months recently? It's weird that people are receiving decision between 3 to 6 months and we have to wait untill one year. I know someone whose application has crossed 1 year. Someone clear me on this because I don't know what to think.
The waiting period according to the immigration decision in October last year is 11-12 months. There are people who get a decision before this time, but not necessarily all. I know a friend of mine who applied on May 10 and he is still waiting.....

heretostay
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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by heretostay » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:10 pm

finblack wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:49 pm
Has any male from West African country received decision within 3 to 6 months recently? It's weird that people are receiving decision between 3 to 6 months and we have to wait untill one year. I know someone whose application has crossed 1 year. Someone clear me on this because I don't know what to think.
Do I remember correctly that migri is trialing a faster automated processing for randomly selected applications? That could be a reason.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2020

Post by toystory » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:07 pm

finblack wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:49 pm
Has any male from West African country received decision within 3 to 6 months recently? It's weird that people are receiving decision between 3 to 6 months and we have to wait untill one year. I know someone whose application has crossed 1 year. Someone clear me on this because I don't know what to think.
You are a black person from Africa and you wonder why your citizenship application is being delayed? You already know why it is being delayed because you are dealing with a biased system.


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