Civil Engineer looking for job in Finland

Arvonen · Post by **Arvonen** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:08 am

Hey guys,

Wondering how difficulty to get a job opportunity at Finland? I’m currently working as Junior Civil Engineer at Melbourne Australia with 4 years working experience. Plan to move to Finland to live with my boyfriend sometimes next year. If somebody could guide me what to do from now on before arriving day would much appreciated. Also, I can’t speak Finnish at all but for now I start taking private Finnish lesson. Kiitos !

Shida

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Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:28 am

shida wrote:If somebody could guide me what to do from now on before arriving day would much appreciated. Also, I can’t speak Finnish at all but for now I start taking private Finnish lesson.

Learning Finnish 24/7 is a good idea - especially outside IT jobs that do not require speaking Finnish fluently are rare.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:43 am

Are you a B.Eng or a M.Eng? One option if you are B.Eng is to enroll in the university and do your M.Eng, "diploma engineers" have the light shining out of their arse as opposed to "upgraded technicians" over here.

Arvonen · Post by **Arvonen** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:57 am

Pursuivant wrote:Are you a B.Eng or a M.Eng? One option if you are B.Eng is to enroll in the university and do your M.Eng, "diploma engineers" have the light shining out of their arse as opposed to "upgraded technicians" over here.

Hi Pursuivant, I'm B.Eng. I plan to continue Master at Helsinki Uni. But also wanted a job while doing my Master. Do u think easy for me to apply abroad from now on?

When u mentioned "diploma engineers" -- is that meant high TAFE graduted student? What is "upgraded technicians"? Heh heh. Sorry.

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:41 am

shida wrote:When u mentioned "diploma engineers" -- is that meant high TAFE graduted student? What is "upgraded technicians"? Heh heh. Sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomi-in ... B6%C3%B6ri

Technicians aren't educated anymore, instead the students got a years worth more edumacation and get called enineer (amk): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insin%C3%B ... _%28amk%29 thus the "upgraded technicians"

edit. for the big picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:46 am

M.Eng = "diploma-engineer" and B.Eng = "vocational school engineer".

mrjimsfc · Post by **mrjimsfc** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:25 pm

Pursuivant wrote:M.Eng = "diploma-engineer" and B.Eng = "vocational school engineer".

Now that you've opened that can of worms, let's explain the reasoning behind it. A bunch of established engineers (translation: old farts with Bachelor degrees) got together and decided that in today's education world, a Bachelor degree is about what they (the old farts) received as a high school education which they got back in the 60's. A Masters degree indicates that the student has learned how to read a few books and plagiarize well enough to write a passable thesis. A PHD indicates that the student can not only read but may also have a few innovative thoughts or ideas and is able to present those ideas clearly enough that others (the old farts) can actually use them.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:07 pm

Well, the Finnish worms were divided classically in two groups. University - loads of maths - 5-6 years - "diploma engineers" with M.Eng... B.Eng was...not. There was a "college engineer" who attended a Technical College for 3-4 years. So that was the classical division, the white- and blue-collar engineers. Then came the big rush to re-invent the colleges into polytechnics or Universities of Applied Science and the B.Eng came about with the Bologna equivalents. Nowadays the "proper" universities also have a B.Eng .... so there is a pecking order there. Oh and back in the day there was a "technician" degree as well, and when the polytechnics came about all the alumni got letters to upgrade their technician or engineer degrees to B.Eng

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:12 pm

So as a word of warning for Shida, Finns aren't really that pissy regarding titles, but the engineers directly loaned the title off the Germans as well as the attitude of being pissy about it. So don't mix up the diploma and mortal engineers or you'll be as if you farted in church.

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:39 pm

Pursuivant wrote:So don't mix up the diploma and mortal engineers or you'll be as if you farted in church.

I thought that was OK now as long as you wait until the organ is playing bass pipes.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:47 pm

Not in a Lutheran, they don't use insence

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:26 pm

You're right, I was confused. I was thinking of Presbyterians. The Lutheran church still resists reforms like these.

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:14 pm

shida wrote:Hey guys,

Wondering how difficulty to get a job opportunity at Finland? !

Shida

Its a difficult country!

Fokai · Post by **Fokai** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:51 pm

moi Shida
You dont need degree, you need a good contact to get a job here in Finland.

Arvonen · Post by **Arvonen** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:45 am

Fokai wrote:moi Shida
You dont need degree, you need a good contact to get a job here in Finland.

Thanks Fokai.

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