Applying for Citizenship 2024

[quillcentaur]

Moi. It seems like in some groups online, many people are telling others to apply for citizenship already even though they still have 4 months to go or so before they complete 4 years continuous residence. I know migri is saying don't apply until you hit 4 years but can you let me know if there have been others who got negative decision because they applied too early?

Note this is not for me, I have full 4 years. But just wondering about others' experiences.

I also thought of applying earlier before but I was worried of getting Perussuomalaiset officer who might see the "application date" was not fulfilling 4 years even though they process it later. So I decided against it and I waited.

But many are saying it was fine so it kinda sucks that some who don't even fulfill 4 years are in front of the queue already...

The only way they would not do it is if migri decides to look at "application date" whether it fulfilled the 4 years requirement and decides based on that

[quillcentaur]

Yes, I applied on the same day and just seen that they updated the processing time to 29 months. 2.5 years of wait.. Completely insane for someone who works here, brought their workplace in Finland on purpose, pays taxes and cannot perform their job properly while waiting (the need for extensive international travel along with other aspects). Meanwhile, some of those who don't work, get it in 5-6 months..

You scared me guys. It is still 21 months for those who came here is valid residence permirt and 29 otherwise - this was on migribä website alrady for some time

The calculator was earlier giving me 21 months and now it shows 29 when I put my application date.. I pretty much suspect they are extending the processing period. I chose 'came in Finland with the permit' to check the time even though technically I came without since I am working as a specialist. For this type you are allowed to come to Finland on tourist visa and start working while applying. Never understood this criterion in the calculator, I don't think it's correct as it does seem like it would refer to refugees and people without a valid visa or passport.

I commented the same thing above. I don't think the migri processing page is up to date. Or at least it is vague. Kamu chatbot will give you 6-21 months as long as you arrived in finland with passport. It does not matter if you did not have RP. I also have so many acquaintances who received decision within 6 months even though they applied rp inside finland. So I think the special timing is only for refugees without passport mainly. (Or other complicated cases)

[another_one]

Moi. It seems like in some groups online, many people are telling others to apply for citizenship already even though they still have 4 months to go or so before they complete 4 years continuous residence. I know migri is saying don't apply until you hit 4 years but can you let me know if there have been others who got negative decision because they applied too early?

Note this is not for me, I have full 4 years. But just wondering about others' experiences.

I also thought of applying earlier before but I was worried of getting Perussuomalaiset officer who might see the "application date" was not fulfilling 4 years even though they process it later. So I decided against it and I waited.

But many are saying it was fine so it kinda sucks that some who don't even fulfill 4 years are in front of the queue already...

The only way they would not do it is if migri decides to look at "application date" whether it fulfilled the 4 years requirement and decides based on that

Migri officially allows to apply before full 4 years of residence.
But if they start processing your application earlier than 4 years reached then they might reject your application.

Here is quote from migri website (https://migri.fi/en/faq-finnish-citizenship):

7. I've heard that there is a long queue of citizenship applications at the moment. I don’t meet the residence requirement just yet, but I will in 2 years. Can I submit a citizenship application already now so that I'll get a decision as soon as I meet the requirements?
You can submit a citizenship application at any time. However, it is not advisable to apply before you meet all the requirements. If we start processing your application before you fulfil the required period of residence, we will have to issue a negative decision on your application.

[quillcentaur]

Moi. It seems like in some groups online, many people are telling others to apply for citizenship already even though they still have 4 months to go or so before they complete 4 years continuous residence. I know migri is saying don't apply until you hit 4 years but can you let me know if there have been others who got negative decision because they applied too early?

Note this is not for me, I have full 4 years. But just wondering about others' experiences.

I also thought of applying earlier before but I was worried of getting Perussuomalaiset officer who might see the "application date" was not fulfilling 4 years even though they process it later. So I decided against it and I waited.

But many are saying it was fine so it kinda sucks that some who don't even fulfill 4 years are in front of the queue already...

The only way they would not do it is if migri decides to look at "application date" whether it fulfilled the 4 years requirement and decides based on that

Migri officially allows to apply before full 4 years of residence.
But if they start processing your application earlier than 4 years reached then they might reject your application.

Here is quote from migri website (https://migri.fi/en/faq-finnish-citizenship):

7. I've heard that there is a long queue of citizenship applications at the moment. I don’t meet the residence requirement just yet, but I will in 2 years. Can I submit a citizenship application already now so that I'll get a decision as soon as I meet the requirements?
You can submit a citizenship application at any time. However, it is not advisable to apply before you meet all the requirements. If we start processing your application before you fulfil the required period of residence, we will have to issue a negative decision on your application.

Yes I have seen that. "it is not advisable to apply before you meet all the requirements." So now I'm wondering what is the practise in real life by migri? any stories of people who were 4 months short and got negative decision right away and such.

[TUserFin]

Yes, I applied on the same day and just seen that they updated the processing time to 29 months. 2.5 years of wait.. Completely insane for someone who works here, brought their workplace in Finland on purpose, pays taxes and cannot perform their job properly while waiting (the need for extensive international travel along with other aspects). Meanwhile, some of those who don't work, get it in 5-6 months..

You scared me guys. It is still 21 months for those who came here is valid residence permirt and 29 otherwise - this was on migribä website alrady for some time

The calculator was earlier giving me 21 months and now it shows 29 when I put my application date.. I pretty much suspect they are extending the processing period. I chose 'came in Finland with the permit' to check the time even though technically I came without since I am working as a specialist. For this type you are allowed to come to Finland on tourist visa and start working while applying. Never understood this criterion in the calculator, I don't think it's correct as it does seem like it would refer to refugees and people without a valid visa or passport.

I just put yesterday date and came with permit and it shows 21 moths. For which date it shows you 29? Anyway? +8 months extension is not something migri did recently, it was only +3month jump. This type of suspection is scary thing for many people here, real facts are betrer

[another_one]

Yes I have seen that. "it is not advisable to apply before you meet all the requirements." So now I'm wondering what is the practise in real life by migri? any stories of people who were 4 months short and got negative decision right away and such.

I applied 3 months before my 4 year residence.
It went fine for me and I am still waiting.

I think that it is unlikely that they will reject the application right away, they would rather not accept it for processing.

Anyway, to me it looks like it may be exactly as they say in their answer: it may go fine and it may be rejected. There is a risk involved into applying early.

[quillcentaur]

Yes I have seen that. "it is not advisable to apply before you meet all the requirements." So now I'm wondering what is the practise in real life by migri? any stories of people who were 4 months short and got negative decision right away and such.

I applied 3 months before my 4 year residence.
It went fine for me and I am still waiting.

I think that it is unlikely that they will reject the application right away, they would rather not accept it for processing.

Anyway, to me it looks like it may be exactly as they say in their answer: it may go fine and it may be rejected. There is a risk involved into applying early.

I guess so. That's why I decided not to do it. There's a chance the officer is a stickler to the rules and they could easily just give negative decision and I would understand.

Also with your case, you don't know yet if it is fine though... There is still a chance they could issue you negative decision later for not following the rules.

[another_one]

Also with your case, you don't know yet if it is fine though... There is still a chance they could issue you negative decision later for not following the rules.

I did follow the rules. It is not forbidden to apply earlier.
Currently my 4 year residence is satisfied.

They may reject my application, but only for a different reason.

[quillcentaur]

Also with your case, you don't know yet if it is fine though... There is still a chance they could issue you negative decision later for not following the rules.

I did follow the rules. It is not forbidden to apply earlier.
Currently my 4 year residence is satisfied.

They may reject my application, but only for a different reason.

The rule is to APPLY only AFTER you fulfilled the residence requirement. NOT BEFORE. Even the migri FAQ that you quoted said they don't recommend applying earlier. Yes of course you CAN submit because the website is not blocking you to do that. But the decision is entirely a different story.

Anyway it is entirely up to you to do that but just a bit ridiculous when people tell others to do it too and even insist it is correct.

Have a good day.

[another_one]

The rule is to APPLY only AFTER you fulfilled the residence requirement. NOT BEFORE. Even the migri FAQ that you quoted said they don't recommend applying earlier. Yes of course you CAN submit because the website is not blocking you to do that. But the decision is entirely a different story.

Anyway it is entirely up to you to do that but just a bit ridiculous when people tell others to do it too and even insist it is correct.

Have a good day.

They don't recommend to apply early, but they don't forbid it.
Even the Migri officer who processed my application said that it is my own risk, but she accepted it without any problems.

I never encouraged anyone to do that and I am not saying to is correct or not.
Migri explicitly stated on their website that there is such a possibility. Yes, it is risky. But you definitely can do that and it is allowed.

[mamutti]

The rule is to APPLY only AFTER you fulfilled the residence requirement. NOT BEFORE. Even the migri FAQ that you quoted said they don't recommend applying earlier. Yes of course you CAN submit because the website is not blocking you to do that. But the decision is entirely a different story.

Anyway it is entirely up to you to do that but just a bit ridiculous when people tell others to do it too and even insist it is correct.

Have a good day.

They don't recommend to apply early, but they don't forbid it.
Even the Migri officer who processed my application said that it is my own risk, but she accepted it without any problems.

I never encouraged anyone to do that and I am not saying to is correct or not.
Migri explicitly stated on their website that there is such a possibility. Yes, it is risky. But you definitely can do that and it is allowed.

Hi guys If you open Finlex and look for the corresponding law, it would say that those 4 years requirement should be satisfied on the decision date, not on the application date. Also the number of months outside Finland is being calculated based on the real processing time, but not when you have applied, for example, if you applied and then moved out of Finland

[broccoli]

Has anybody heard of anyone who got decision after 8 months but before 21 months recently?

It seems like last couple of months it is either 5-6 months for decision or full 21.

[vuraldogan]

The rule is to APPLY only AFTER you fulfilled the residence requirement. NOT BEFORE. Even the migri FAQ that you quoted said they don't recommend applying earlier. Yes of course you CAN submit because the website is not blocking you to do that. But the decision is entirely a different story.

Anyway it is entirely up to you to do that but just a bit ridiculous when people tell others to do it too and even insist it is correct.

Have a good day.

They don't recommend to apply early, but they don't forbid it.
Even the Migri officer who processed my application said that it is my own risk, but she accepted it without any problems.

I never encouraged anyone to do that and I am not saying to is correct or not.
Migri explicitly stated on their website that there is such a possibility. Yes, it is risky. But you definitely can do that and it is allowed.

Hi guys If you open Finlex and look for the corresponding law, it would say that those 4 years requirement should be satisfied on the decision date, not on the application date. Also the number of months outside Finland is being calculated based on the real processing time, but not when you have applied, for example, if you applied and then moved out of Finland

Hello,

I couldn't see there this kind of explanation. Can you show me where there is such a statement here?

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2003/20030359

[X6InhEswsi7lLAQ]

Hello,

I couldn't see there this kind of explanation. Can you show me where there is such a statement here?

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2003/20030359

It's not 100% clear, but this looks like it:

Ulkomaalaiselle myönnetään hakemuksesta Suomen kansalaisuus, jos hakemusta ratkaistaessa

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/ ... 0359#L3P13
Keyword there being ratkaistaessa

[m02b06]

Hi
is there any one applied for citizenship in October 2022 and still hasn't get the decision????
if I email migi about the estimated process time dose they provide accurate answer or just automated answer ?

I applied 12.10.2022, I emailed during the summer 2023 and got very generic answer to wait for 18 months, which I believe has transformed into 21 months now