Applying for Citizenship 2024

[aurinkokukka]

So after living in FInland for over 20years (since December 2021) with no significant interruptions (just normal year vacation to my home country, usually 2-3 weeks long, only twice in these 20 years have I stayed there for a month), I have decided to apply for Finnish citizenship.
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Thanks for sharing, I wonder if 2 years (24 months) is a new estimate from migri. Did you come to Finland with residence permit or applied here?

And I hope not as 24 months sounds extreme. I checked with Kamu and it said 7-24 months, so the 24 months might be the longest waiting time? Basically telling me the worse time so that if it lasts shorter (as she claimed it would in my case) it would be like a gift? Just my own thoughts. She exactly this "our processing time is 2 years at the moment but you have an EU citizenship and havent travelled much thus we dont have to check extensively, so it should be quicker".

[karhu86]

So after living in FInland for over 20years (since December 2021) with no significant interruptions (just normal year vacation to my home country, usually 2-3 weeks long, only twice in these 20 years have I stayed there for a month), I have decided to apply for Finnish citizenship.
Reason for coming: married a Finn, came with non EU passport and residence permit, then my second citizenships country (I have 2 citizenships) joined the EU and my resident permit automatically got converted to permanent permit and entry as EU citizen.
Applied mid December 2023, had my Migri visit today. Had a laugh at the Malmi migri office as they called out the person before me with an obvious foreign name and last name on the speaker (we both had a booked appointmentI) in English and Finnish so I thought great I wont have to think much about numbers in Finnish on a Monday early morning..then they call out me..I have a typical Finnish last name (through hubby) and a very typical Finnish first name (as its the same in my country)..so they call me out - in Finnish and Swedish!!

Woman was nice, had a little chit chat..I asked how long does it take, she says their processing time now is 2 years ( I hope itll be faster ) but as Im an EU citizen and seem to have an easier case (not too much travelling so they would need to do more extensive research) should take shorter.
I hope this will be the case as last time when I applied for my first permit in the embassy, they told me 3-6 months, but more likely 6 months, only to be called in the evening by an excited Finnish embassy clerk who told me to get ready, I got my visa. Wasnt overjoyed as had a great job and was planning on doing some more work and saving up for the next 6 months...delayed my move for 2 more months.
Who knows, maybe it comes on my birthday in August.

Welcome to the forum! And cute handle, by the way

for a moment i thought you were the same person
i really hope 2022 people get a @#$% answer finally, i am really fed up of waiting, and as it seems we have to wait for our full 21 months now mine will be in july i hope

[m02b06]

I have also been told that it could be up to 2 years wait when I applied in October 2022, so it might be just the thing they say, not a new estimate

[TUserFin]

And I hope not as 24 months sounds extreme. I checked with Kamu and it said 7-24 months, so the 24 months might be the longest waiting time? Basically telling me the worse time so that if it lasts shorter (as she claimed it would in my case) it would be like a gift? Just my own thoughts. She exactly this "our processing time is 2 years at the moment but you have an EU citizenship and havent travelled much thus we dont have to check extensively, so it should be quicker".

Interesting why I cannot find cinditions under which Kamu says 7-24 months. For me it continues to sayv6-21months if I select that I came with residence permitband valid national passport.

For your case, you will get it most probably in 7 months not 24.

[aurinkokukka]

And I hope not as 24 months sounds extreme. I checked with Kamu and it said 7-24 months, so the 24 months might be the longest waiting time? Basically telling me the worse time so that if it lasts shorter (as she claimed it would in my case) it would be like a gift? Just my own thoughts. She exactly this "our processing time is 2 years at the moment but you have an EU citizenship and havent travelled much thus we dont have to check extensively, so it should be quicker".

Interesting why I cannot find cinditions under which Kamu says 7-24 months. For me it continues to sayv6-21months if I select that I came with residence permitband valid national passport.

Fir your case, you will get it most probably in 7 months not 24.

I tried Kamu again now with my case file (7-24 months was when I tired without case file, just as general info) and now it says 6-21 months. Go figure. Well, the shorter the better. lol Good luck to everyone and lets hope not too long wait.
Kamu says 8057 people before me in queue.

[Hope232323]

Hello, I have applied my citizenship in May 2023, still stage 1, however I applied my PR two weeks ago, application went to stage 2 after three hours, since then still in stage 2.

Will my long waiting for my citizenship application effect my PR processing?, Actually I need the PR asap for travel purpose. I called them for my PR and all what they said just wait. no more documents were asked so far at enter Finland. Any thoughts?

[Guess.who]

Hello, I have applied my citizenship in May 2023, still stage 1, however I applied my PR two weeks ago, application went to stage 2 after three hours, since then still in stage 2.

Will my long waiting for my citizenship application effect my PR processing?, Actually I need the PR asap for travel purpose. I called them for my PR and all what they said just wait. no more documents were asked so far at enter Finland. Any thoughts?

Mine too! it went in progress/stage 2 the same day and now it's been pending for decision since then. Applied PR start of February.
PR based on Entrepreneurship.

[jcsmartin]

Hello, I have applied my citizenship in May 2023, still stage 1, however I applied my PR two weeks ago, application went to stage 2 after three hours, since then still in stage 2.

Will my long waiting for my citizenship application effect my PR processing?, Actually I need the PR asap for travel purpose. I called them for my PR and all what they said just wait. no more documents were asked so far at enter Finland. Any thoughts?

they are two seperate processes and don’t affect eachother. I’m afraid moving to stage 2 right after the application seems to be a bug only, and has been happening to people last few months.

I hope you applied to PR 3 months before the expiration of your current permit, because it takes about 4-6 months.

[aurinkokukka]

Huh so I had the interview tuesday, wednesday was 8 057 people before me, yesterday 8036 and today 5609..how did it drop so much.

[jcsmartin]

Huh so I had the interview tuesday, wednesday was 8 057 people before me, yesterday 8036 and today 5609..how did it drop so much.

is there anyone else in your family who applied before? This happens usually when they combine applications with family members.

I noticed my queue number has been dropping much faster than previous months during february. dropped almost 700 in 4 weeks, which is about 1.5 faster than the normal speed. The sweet spot on 5000’s seems to have increased to around 5500 as well.

I have one question to the forum, has anyone heard anyone granted citizenship while abroad? I am travelling quite frequently due to my work and I’m wondering what happens if they grant you the citizenship abroad and cancel your residence permit. How is the way back to Finland, through embassy?

I know some people said that we must notify migri when we are travelling but what if they just give the decision? I’m just thinking the worst scenario.

[oct.2023.RU.IT]

Huh so I had the interview tuesday, wednesday was 8 057 people before me, yesterday 8036 and today 5609..how did it drop so much.

What is your Diary number?
All Diary numbers that has Queue number 8036 on 21.02 are 16***/310/2023, and I don't see any of them become 5609 on 22.02.

I have some Kamu chatbot data save, not all of that.

[another_one]

I have one question to the forum, has anyone heard anyone granted citizenship while abroad? I am travelling quite frequently due to my work and I’m wondering what happens if they grant you the citizenship abroad and cancel your residence permit. How is the way back to Finland, through embassy?

Yes, the rule is to notify Migri if you travel abroad, especially on long trips.
While you are abroad they will not grant you citizenship. Or at least they try not to do that.

I heard about cases where people were abroad and did not notify Migri about it and Migri sent those people a message like "According to our data you are abroad, please notify us when you return to Finland". I would assume that it is possible to get such a message if Migri knows that you are abroad and if they start processing your application.
After they returned to Finland and sent a notification to Migri about that, their application was processed in a few weeks.

I remember that someone in this forum told that they were granted the citizenship while they were abroad and those people returned back to Finland using residence permit without any problems. AFAIK, at this point you are already a Finnish citizen and Finland can not deny your entry to the country.

[TUserFin]

This morning one person from Finnish YKI Test 2021 facebook group scared me, as he found something in the new law which says that it should be applied to pending applications, also several people looked engaged in the direction of his view. Upon further invesitation, it looks like he is wrong, but I don't engage in Facebook to answer, sorry. Here is my answer

What he was saying is this

"According to the Citizenship law draft/proposal, the new law will affect pending applications, if it is passed in this way.
Tämä laki tulee voimaan päivänä kuuta 20 . Tämän lain voimaan tullessa vireillä olevaan kansalaisuushakemukseen sovelletaan tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa olleita 13 §:n 1 momentin 2 kohtaa, 14 §:n 1 momentin 3 kohtaa, 15, 16, 18, 18 a, 20 ja 22 §:ää, 23 §:n 2 momenttia ja 24 §:n 3 momenttia.
https://api.hankeikkuna.fi/asiakirjat/9 ... 6m267xY5Ic"

Asked ChaptGPT to translate this
"When this law enters into force, the provisions of Section 13(1) paragraph 2, Section 14(1) paragraph 3, Sections 15, 16, 18, 18a, 20, and 22, Section 23(2), and Section 24(3) at the time of entry into force of this law shall apply to pending citizenship applications."


and asked ChaptGPT translate this to simpler English
The text states that when the new law comes into effect, certain sections of the previous law will be applied to pending citizenship applications. So, even though there's a new law in place, it's specifying that certain provisions from the old law will still be used for processing applications that were already in progress when the new law took effect

I haven't studies this secions in details, but the law still has this statement as well
"Tässä esityk-
sessä ehdotettuja muutoksia on siten perusteltua soveltaa niihin hakemuksiin, jotka tehdään
tässä esityksessä ehdotettujen muutosten tultua voimaan."

which means pending applications will not be affected. so, if someone has time to study it... but right now it doesn't look like pending applications will be affected.

[TUserFin]

Ah, one more ChatGPT try

There is a new law coming, tell me what this says in Finnish, will the change apply to people in process who applied for a citizenship already?

Tämän lain voimaan tullessa vireillä olevaan kansalaisuushakemukseen sovelletaan tämän
lain voimaan tullessa voimassa olleita 13 §:n 1 momentin 2 kohtaa, 14 §:n 1 momentin 3 kohtaa,
15, 16, 18, 18 a, 20 ja 22 §:ää, 23 §:n 2 momenttia ja 24 §:n 3 momenttia.

ChatGPT
"When this law enters into force, the pending citizenship application shall be subject to the provisions of sections 13(1)(2), 14(1)(3), 15, 16, 18, 18a, 20, and 22, subsection 2 of section 23, and subsection 3 of section 24, as they were in force at the time this law enters into force."


The text in Finnish translates to:

"When this law enters into force, the pending citizenship application shall be subject to the provisions of sections 13(1)(2), 14(1)(3), 15, 16, 18, 18a, 20, and 22, subsection 2 of section 23, and subsection 3 of section 24, as they were in force at the time this law enters into force."

This means that for individuals with pending citizenship applications, the law that will be applied to their case is the one in effect at the time the new law comes into force. So, if there are changes in the law regarding citizenship applications, those changes would not apply retroactively to applications that were already in process before the new law took effect.

[aurinkokukka]

Huh so I had the interview tuesday, wednesday was 8 057 people before me, yesterday 8036 and today 5609..how did it drop so much.

What is your Diary number?
All Diary numbers that has Queue number 8036 on 21.02 are 16***/310/2023, and I don't see any of them become 5609 on 22.02.

I have some Kamu chatbot data save, not all of that.

Nooo I was too hopeful haha It dropped but not by so much. I mistakingly left one number out in the beginning.