Benefits/Welfare

FluffyBunny · Post by **FluffyBunny** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:22 am

I hope somebody can give a serious answer to this. How long do you have to live in the country in order to get housing benefits and the like? I'm a citizen and did my military service so maybe that will silence at least some of the negative response.

I ask because I know that I will not find a job. I have enormous difficulty finding work anywhere I go because I have a legitamate disorder. Naturally, I always try to find work, though and will try in Finland as well.

I'm currently in England and I have family in Finland but I don't want to bother them. Please, no rants about people who abuse the system because that's not what I'm doing.

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rinso · Post by **rinso** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:46 am

FluffyBunny wrote:
Please, no rants about people who abuse the system because that's not what I'm doing.

The first thing you do on this forum is asking for a free ride.
And that's prove you don't want to abuse the system??

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:48 am

If you go to read http://www.kela.fi they explain it all in detail. Some of the stuff is residence-based, some is not. However if you move back to here to get back "into the system" requires some effort. If you are say on the dole in the UK theres certain rules in transferring the dole, but the Finnish dole for people not worked työmarkkinatuki isn't worth crap. Also then if your legitimate disorder is diagnosed et needs to be diagnosed by the KELA doctors and they'll produce you with paperwork that shows you'ure fit as a fiddle. But yes, start reading through the KELA pages.

FluffyBunny · Post by **FluffyBunny** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:41 pm

Hank W. wrote:If you go to read http://www.kela.fi they explain it all in detail. Some of the stuff is residence-based, some is not. However if you move back to here to get back "into the system" requires some effort. If you are say on the dole in the UK theres certain rules in transferring the dole, but the Finnish dole for people not worked työmarkkinatuki isn't worth crap. Also then if your legitimate disorder is diagnosed et needs to be diagnosed by the KELA doctors and they'll produce you with paperwork that shows you'ure fit as a fiddle. But yes, start reading through the KELA pages.

Thanks. I didn't see anything really on that site, but I'll look further. It doesn't really matter anyway. I can't stay in England. If there's a worse country on earth, I haven't found it. I'd rather live on the streets in Helsinki than spend another second in London.

sinikala · Post by **sinikala** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:04 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
Hank W. wrote:If you go to read http://www.kela.fi they explain it all in detail. Some of the stuff is residence-based, some is not. However if you move back to here to get back "into the system" requires some effort. If you are say on the dole in the UK theres certain rules in transferring the dole, but the Finnish dole for people not worked työmarkkinatuki isn't worth crap. Also then if your legitimate disorder is diagnosed et needs to be diagnosed by the KELA doctors and they'll produce you with paperwork that shows you'ure fit as a fiddle. But yes, start reading through the KELA pages.
Thanks. I didn't see anything really on that site, but I'll look further. It doesn't really matter anyway. I can't stay in England. If there's a worse country on earth, I haven't found it. I'd rather live on the streets in Helsinki than spend another second in London.

London is not England, London is London, mainly because its population is 35% twa**ish foreigners who spend most of their time complaining about how bad London is.

Karibu · Post by **Karibu** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:28 pm

So... what's so bad in London (except that it is a big, noisy city)? Complaining people, rainy winters, high living costs or something else?

superiorinferior · Post by **superiorinferior** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:23 pm

FluffyBunny wrote: Thanks. I didn't see anything really on that site, but I'll look further. It doesn't really matter anyway. I can't stay in England. If there's a worse country on earth, I haven't found it. I'd rather live on the streets in Helsinki than spend another second in London.

So come here and quit yer gripin'.

FluffyBunny · Post by **FluffyBunny** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:44 am

I looked on the Kela website but all of their answers are vague. I have absolutely no money so I would need the benefits to start shortly after moving. I'm receiving Job Seekers Allowance in the UK but not housing benefits (because every place in London is rented out illegally so the landlord always refuses to let you claim housing benefits).

I would need a place to stay basically immediately and for free. Is there any public housing or something that I would be quickly eligible for? That would solve most of the problems. I doubt anyone here knows, but its worth a shot.

sinikala · Post by **sinikala** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:53 am

If you really want to come here, I suggest you chance your approach of not wanting to bother your family in Finland.

I would guess they are you best chance of putting a roof over your head until you find your feet.

interleukin · Post by **interleukin** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:42 am

Why not contact Kela and ask what options might be available in your situation? I agree with you that some things on the Kela site are very vague, but that may be due to the fact that each case has to be looked into individually and they do not want to make any promises on their homepage that they are then stuck with.

Of course they won´t promise you, by phone, that you will get this and this moneywise, but at least they could tell you what options you may have and what options you are NOT eligible for.

It is great that you are working hard to make your life better, but I think you should get your most important information straight from the source, not a discussion board (even if we have Daryl, the online encyclopedia). I also have to second the opinion that you should get your family in Finland involved in this now. Believe me, you will need their help and moral support once you are here.

Good luck to you,
/eeinarsdottir

littlefrank · Post by **littlefrank** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:26 am

'Please, no rants about people who abuse the system'

You won't get any 'rants' from me, as far as I'm concerned we once were able to roam freely, clear a piece of land and set up home, then along came some people with weapons and said 'this is our land and you're going to work for us, then when they got machines to work the land, these people said "right bugger off to the towns and work in the factories". Once we got to the towns they paid us peanuts while the factory owners got excessively rich. So I see 'benefits' (even when I'm working and paying taxes) as compensation for being forced to give up our right to clear a piece of land and set up home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:50 am

FluffyBunny wrote:I would need a place to stay basically immediately and for free.

Yeah, wouldn't anybody. Basically there are homeless shelters, but I doubt those would be too nice. Transferring your jobseekers allowance would work for 3 months - not that you'd be seeing any money before filling in the paperwork, but after that you'd be landing on the basic support that doesn't pay the rent. "Unemployed single man" is at the bottom of the housing queue.

Idefix · Post by **Idefix** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:56 pm

edited, Hank had already answered my question about the 3 month thing...

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