Nurses threaten with mass resignations

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:45 pm

13 000 nurses threaten to resign. Some small issues regarding salary... no wonder not very many are interested.

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kay30 · Post by **kay30** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:20 pm

I hope they get their money. I don't blame them. I hope every politician that promised to help them pre-election and is now weaseling out gets sick and needs to go to the hospital during that time. Seriously. What they pay nurses here is a crime.

otyikondo · Post by **otyikondo** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:05 pm

kay30 wrote:I hope they get their money. I don't blame them. I hope every politician that promised to help them pre-election and is now weaseling out gets sick and needs to go to the hospital during that time. Seriously. What they pay nurses here is a crime.

"Who? ME? I din promise nuffin'."

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:49 pm

otyikondo wrote:

Is it like
"READ MY .. nevermind..look in between the fingers...thats what I promised...Empty space...what are we waiting for.. abandoned races..."

Amandine.K · Post by **Amandine.K** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:17 am

I was really dubious the would achieve anything but now I have to say I'm rather impressed. Although they haven't rallied so much the student troups yet. Is Finland turning French?

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:32 am

Amandine.K wrote:Is Finland turning French?

Oh no!!!

Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:43 pm

Oh yes.... I even found a petit reblochon au LAIT CRU in Citymarket yesterday

But, I agree. This is passionate stuff and he deserves every sleepless night he gets...

But I have a question. Does anyone know what the wage is of say a newly qualified nurse and then maybe after 10 years experience? What is the max salary of a state registered nurse? Also how long is their initial training... does a nurse need to take a masters degree (like teachers) or are they trained in-house? I wanted to bring this subject up in my lessons tomorrow but I'd like to have some background info.... if anyone can help.'

Thanks.

blaugrau · Post by **blaugrau** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:12 pm

As far as I know, Finnish nurses have polytechnic degrees (thus, still "higher education" degrees) as do e.g. physiotherapists or midwives. There is some variation in salary depending on the area I think, those in the Helsinki area earn a bit more (but then again there's higher living costs there of course). In Friday's Helsingin Sanomat there was an example of a physiotherapist in the Helsinki area with 20 years experience earning about 1,600 per month after tax, and a quite senior nurse (forgot the exact position) in Kuopio earning IIRC 1,800 a month after tax.

sinikettu · Post by **sinikettu** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:15 pm

TBOMK Finnish system is same as UK...or it was...not been with any nurses for a long time

Three years on the job/ward training...with 2 days a week in the class-room. Tough theory and practical exams...if passed gets "Staff Nurse/SRN" status. Finland has similar status but cannot remember what SRN = Suomeksi...State Registered Nurse??
There are all sorts of specialist courses and qualification e.g. Theatre Sister..Maternity...District Nurse....but Masters degree??

Reading todays Hesa ...the nurses union leaders may have made a tactical mistake with the mass resignations....they just submitted a list of names...that is not a legal resignation, says the lawyers...has to be individual signed....that will mean those who do resign, get individual treatment...when strike ends...have to apply for their old job back with all risks involved of not being accepted. Plus of course if one resigns = 3 months non Kela help....

Only a brief bit so far in English..pending Int Hesa...
http://virtual.finland.fi/stt/showartic ... up=General

Timbeh · Post by **Timbeh** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:15 pm

penelope wrote:how long is their initial training

If I remember correctly it's 3,5 years.

penelope wrote:does a nurse need to take a masters degree

Nope. Nurses are trained in polytechnics, not in universities.

Timbeh · Post by **Timbeh** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:19 pm

blaugrau wrote:TEHY belongs to AKAVA

This isn't true. Nurses are not in AKAVA because they're not an academic profession.

EP · Post by EP » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:21 pm

Is Finland turning French?

Hah, no. Finland is playing "back to the 1970´s" game. Then everybody went to strike at regular intervals. There was always some strike on, be it doctors, teachers, metal workers, Alkos – and harbours were striking contstantly so that food started to disappear from stores. Past two decades seem almost strike-free compared to 1960´s and 70´s.

But no use blaming Katainen. Nurses´salary dump has accumulated during past ten years, and if I remember correctly, the social democrats pretty much ruled those years.

blaugrau · Post by **blaugrau** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:22 pm

timbeh wrote:This isn't true. Nurses are not in AKAVA because they're not an academic profession.

You're right, sorry.

Karhunkoski · Post by **Karhunkoski** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:41 pm

sinikettu wrote: Reading todays Hesa ...the nurses union leaders may have made a tactical mistake with the mass resignations....they just submitted a list of names...that is not a legal resignation, says the lawyers...has to be individual signed....that will mean those who do resign, get individual treatment...when strike ends...have to apply for their old job back with all risks involved of not being accepted.

My understanding of the situation was that industrial action (after a pay agreement was reached) could/would continue until ALL nurses who resigned were reinstated, so perhaps they have nothing to fear about being accepted back.

sinikettu · Post by **sinikettu** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:42 pm

EP wrote: But no use blaming Katainen. Nurses´salary dump has accumulated during past ten years, and if I remember correctly, the social democrats pretty much ruled those years.

It s the same the whole world over..
Hospitals have managers..they try to run them like a business...but unless it has private insurance companies/customers funds...Not enough income and no profit...= low wages...
We now have situation where nurses are 25% below average national salary..so nobody wants to be a nurse...other than in a Private Hospital.
Non niin...
They suck in cheaper staff..Norway sucks in from Sweden and Sweden from Finland...Finland sucks in from?? I hear it is the Phillipines. .
etc etc..it goes on down the world chain untill ..you get to somewhere where the staff has a bone through his nose a bowl of green smelly ointment...and 99% die.

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