Wheres my tax money????

rokingit · Post by **rokingit** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:54 pm

I was supposed to get a tax refund this year but i looked in my bank account and its not there! I gave them my bank info too (oh no! what if i wrote the account number wrong??) Can that stupid tv tax man take my tax money if he thinks i owe him? i dont think i owe him anything but he thinks differently...

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EP · Post by EP » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:13 pm

Can that stupid tv tax man take my tax money if he thinks i owe him?

yes, he can. A couple of times I have forgotten to pay my real easate tax, and when my "veronpalautus" came in December, the real estate tax was taken from it.

EP · Post by EP » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:14 pm

No, wait! TV-lpermit is not tax, so it cannot be taken from tax returns.

EP · Post by EP » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:06 pm

almost 100,000 have stopped 'subscribing.'

Maybe, but I have a very old-fashioned conscience.

Juha H. · Post by **Juha H.** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:11 pm

ronbladholm wrote:
No, wait! TV-lpermit is not tax
What's that? Have heard no one pays that anymore - almost 100,000 have stopped 'subscribing.'

Unfortunately, these loosers cause decent people to pay more.

http://www.tv-maksu.fi/

Andrew_S · Post by **Andrew_S** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:15 pm

TV licence people can't touch your tax return.

Maybe the tax office have the wrong bank account number or some other glitch. Ask them.

rokingit · Post by **rokingit** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:40 pm

is there anyone else that can take my tax money?

superiorinferior · Post by **superiorinferior** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:26 pm

ronbladholm wrote: imagine 200 Euros a year for NOTHING!

Not for nothing. It's the law. That's something.

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:32 pm

ronbladholm wrote:Not sure you've got the situation correct there - I haven't watched any Finnish TV system for 1 year but because I could THEORETICALLY watch it thru 'house' system I am 'legally' obligated

You’re not paying for watching YLE’s channels, or Finnish channels in general. Instead, according to the law, you’re paying for being able to watch any tv in this country at all (no matter if you get it via cable, satellite, broadband, or over the air, or if it is provided by foreign companies operating abroad and having nothing to do with Finland.) That’s pretty much the way how tv licensing works in the other countries, too...

Then again, if tv license does not seem like too stellar an idea, there are of course other ways of solving the same problem...

superiorinferior · Post by **superiorinferior** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:47 pm

rokingit wrote:is there anyone else that can take my tax money?

I could. PM me for my bank account number.

otyikondo · Post by **otyikondo** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:00 pm

rokingit wrote:is there anyone else that can take my tax money?

Oh yes. If you have unpaid debts that have gone to ulosotto they will quite definitely have first dibs on your tax refund, and the tax office will have been formally instructed NOT to pay you a penny until they have had their share.

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:00 pm

ronbladholm wrote:OK - you guys don't get it or are being duped by the 'system.' I do not watch any of the bloody 'TV' coming in via YLE, MTV, 4 or Satellite. I use the TV to watch DVD's and sports via Internet - with a paid subscription to a website (not TV!!)

If that “subscription to a website” allows you to view live sports broadcasts, those kind of services are already falling under the tv licensing scheme in some countries. See the following links:

(The Finnish government is pretty good at following these kind of trends so I guess that sooner or later this will be the reality in here as well... unless the tv licensing scheme will be abolished altogether and replaced with taxation, or something.)

ronbladholm wrote:The reason I have to pay the 'fee' is because I THEORETICALLY have trhe possibility to hook into the house antenna and I have no time for Chrisse and Bad and the Beautiful, etc.

You have a legal (tv licensing authority approved) way out of that situation: take your tv set to a service center and ask them to disable the tuner in it. No easily usable tuner, no need to pay. (The service center will give you a certificate that proves to the license inspectors that your tv set is now only a video monitor, and cannot be used for viewing broadcast tv.)

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:58 pm

ronbladholm wrote:
Jukka Aho wrote:If that “subscription to a website” allows you to view live sports broadcasts, those kind of services are already falling under the tv licensing scheme in some countries. See the following links:
German states impose internet TV licence

Q&A: The TV licence and your PC
(The Finnish government is pretty good at following these kind of trends so I guess that sooner or later this will be the reality in here as well... unless the tv licensing scheme will be abolished altogether and replaced with taxation, or something.)
Not seemingly applicable in Finland

Well, duh! That’s why it says “in some countries” in the above, and why there is that explanation below the links. I’m just bringing that trend to your attention so that you won’t act all surprised when they suddenly start doing the same in Finland. :)

ronbladholm wrote:and if it was it would mean that if you were connected to the internet you would be subject to the fee

That’s the very idea. The tv licensing schemes are only going to get more pervasive and all-encompassing – including broadband connections and mobile phones – before the system will be abolished for good. (I think we are going to see a move to a taxation-based model in the end, but it is hard to say how soon or late in the game that will be.)

ronbladholm wrote:because in my case all I have is a cable running from PC to video in on a so-called TV set.

As mentioned in my previous post, getting the built-in tuner disabled in an authorized service center or buying a display device that does not have a tuner in the first place – such as a mere video monitor or a video projector – will remove the obligation to pay the license.

rokingit · Post by **rokingit** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:09 am

i dont think i have any unpaid debts...i guess ill have to make the dreaded phone call

Karhunkoski · Post by **Karhunkoski** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:12 pm

Anyone know if the TV licence is also required for owning a radio?

I think in the UK it used to be:

- you own a colour TV = buy colour TV licence

- you own black & white TV or own just a radio = buy B&W TV licence.

(Not that paying the TV licence is an issue for me. Just like paying tax for Kela money is a great way to help stop the alcholics and druggies from robbing me to fund their habit, likewise paying for a TV licence helps fund daytime entertainment to keep the same dossers amused, and so reducing the chance of the cheesy wasters bothering me as I go about daily business)

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