Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Ngally · Post by **Ngally** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:55 pm

Hello guys,, looks like everything i try to do or places i go and people i see or speak with..(finns),,.something negative always comes up..and that thing serves to remind me "hello, u r a foreigner"...to mention just a few of the things(behaviours) i've come across when hunting for jobs:
1.people(employers) can bee too cold and very unfriendly
2.racial discrimation could be done openly
3. employers put job ads eveywhere possible, and people (including foreigners) happen to see them also,,but when i try,,even if they would not hire me...their response(especially on telephone)can be so rude...
ooh my ooh my "job hunting feels like trying to get to heaven"
and some of those things are just ridiculous...things like "must speak finnish even for a cleaning job," etc etc
guys...whats your experience?please give me some hope here,before i EXPLODE.
finns:thanks for your response, i would love to hear from fellow foreigners for a change.

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mCowboy · Post by **mCowboy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:08 pm

Ngally · Post by **Ngally** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:16 pm

Mcowboy "kichaa wewe"

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:45 pm

I warmly suggest you PM these people, they will tell you how wrong you are:

JaDLB wrote: try to be a bit more positive toward job seekers , there are many jobs here.

jason cowell wrote:"not without fluent and complete finnish language skills". What is the problem???? It amazes me that hard working people who are going to contribute to Finland are just dismissed and put on a negative road.

debonaire wrote: I am opposed to views expressed by those people who religiously make it a point to dig out the negative aspects of life here and then play on to super hype these issues....They make living in finland sound like hell...Do you think anyone would dare to come to finland after listening to their baseless,self-exhunmed and hollow opinions...What is the point of instigating a fear of Finland in the minds of newbies??

Mook wrote: So how come it's mostly the Finns telling all the negative things that might happen given that they haven't actually experienced it. Where are all these poor depressed foreigners telling people not to come?

carlwebb wrote:Why are you all so negative, i was offered a job in Tampere just after i moved here, first off you need a positive attitude and dont listen to the people telling you, you wont find a good job, you will . If you want to work you will find a job. Dont listen to all the people on this forum telling you that everything is so hard in Finland, its really not. Its maybe hard for them, but if you want to make things work you can.

DMC wrote: According to your logic I should never have even bothered applying for the jobs I have got here. Or the ones I have turned down. You spouting negative, give-up-now advice for ever and a day cannot change my practical exprience that it IS possible to get such jobs here. I have done it myself so I know it is possible. I have done it more than once so I know it isn't blind luck. I have seen others do it so I know I'm not the only one.

WHY IS THERE SUCH A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK HERE FOR FOREIGNERS FINDING JOBS?

Ngally · Post by **Ngally** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:24 pm

Kiitos Mcowboy and Hank for your responses, you are TOO kind!!!lol!! I REPEAT...i would like to hear from other FOREIGNERS for a change, so, thank you again, and have a nice weekend....you two seem to have answers for everything and everyone here,(which is very good), but for now, take a break and enjoy the weekend......

Muddy Zuk · Post by **Muddy Zuk** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:56 pm

Cant say i found it too bad, got first jpb quickly, been offered a few others since then, even had two jobs at the same time for a while? maybe i'm just lucky

Cod · Post by **Cod** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:04 pm

..go and capture back a nice part of Kareilia and you'll have the Finns eating out of your hands..

MC Deli · Post by **MC Deli** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:46 am

cow-heada wrote:..go and capture back a nice part of Kareilia and you'll have the Finns eating out of your hands..

How about we get all 10,000 (?) foreigners in Finland mobilised - I was thinking about a double decker bus with enough room for Una Stubbs - and armed with... erm... suolakurkku... and we go and take back Karelia. The Ruskies wouldn't know what had hit them... and it would be a better use of their (our) time than queuing for resident permits, buying the wrong socks, looking for work and all these pikkujoulus.

Hank, you're in charge - I'm right behind you

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:35 am

Hank W. wrote:I warmly suggest you PM these people, they will tell you how wrong you are:

Mook wrote: So how come it's mostly the Finns telling all the negative things that might happen given that they haven't actually experienced it. Where are all these poor depressed foreigners telling people not to come?
...

WHY IS THERE SUCH A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK HERE FOR FOREIGNERS FINDING JOBS?

Now then Hanky Wanky, you're quoting me out of context here. The point I was making is that you can't speak about "how hard" it is since you haven't done it. The thing is that what you do is listen to what the more vocal whiny foreigners say, add 20% of your own sh1te then pass it on. Fortunately the whiny, jobless foreigners are the minority.

Get a life...instead of trying to save those that don't need saved...

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:24 am

Mook wrote: Fortunately the whiny, jobless foreigners are the minority.

So in other words you're saying as a foreigner that Ngally is a minority sample of a jobless whiny foreigner population? So I don't need to pay any attention to his problem as he don't need to be saved? And all this time I was living in the belief that foreigners without Finnish skills and without understanding of Finnish cultural interaction would be facing quantitative and qualitative difficulties in finding a job. So fortunate you corrected me, now I can go back to my life and not care about the whining Ngallys, as in reality foreigners don't have any problems finding a job.

nidhal · Post by **nidhal** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:39 am

Ngally wrote:Hello guys,, looks like everything i try to do or places i go and people i see or speak with..(finns),,.something negative always comes up..and that thing serves to remind me "hello, u r a foreigner"...to mention just a few of the things(behaviours) i've come across when hunting for jobs:
1.people(employers) can bee too cold and very unfriendly
2.racial discrimation could be done openly
3. employers put job ads eveywhere possible, and people (including foreigners) happen to see them also,,but when i try,,even if they would not hire me...their response(especially on telephone)can be so rude...
ooh my ooh my "job hunting feels like trying to get to heaven"
and some of those things are just ridiculous...things like "must speak finnish even for a cleaning job," etc etc
guys...whats your experience?please give me some hope here,before i EXPLODE.
finns:thanks for your response, i would love to hear from fellow foreigners
for a change.

yeah ur true in one point but not all finnish people of course good and bad is in every where!
i had something like u, but its always like tht ! u come to this country! so u should accept tht !!!!

Ngally · Post by **Ngally** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:24 am

thanks guys for your messages up there, they are all somehow helpful.....thanks Mook for scaring Mr. Hank away!!! lol!!! and yes, there are many many finns almost all of them that are very good, kind, considerate etc etc but sometimes we happen to meet those few who are racists and some few have their little minds "depressed" and when these minds meet with the "depressed job hunters minds" then the combination doesn't smell good at all.....
but to be honest, Mr. Hank i am just joking up there,,,though you are sometimes a bit harsh...you are one of a kind..sometimes you give very constructive advice ....kiitos paljon..

shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:22 am

Ngally wrote: "hello, u r a foreigner"

We probably leave in different Finland

I have never experienced any negative reaction towards me. All people were only friendly and positive. Perhaps, 7 years is not enough to get anti foreigners attitudes.

buldozr · Post by **buldozr** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:49 pm

MC Deli wrote:and armed with... erm... suolakurkku...

Tryin' to beat us with our own weapons (of mass indigestion)?

Ngally · Post by **Ngally** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:35 pm

hello schrecher,,,7 years haven't experienced anything negative? may be you have.. but you just haven't noticed it..cause some people(not only finns) can seem nice when they put those fake plastic smiles on their faces!!!!!lol!!! by the way which group of foreigners do you fall into?...

type A-study , DO CLEANING JOBS,do business and same time JOB HUNTS FOR PROPER JOBS FOR AGES (struggle to survive)
type B-spend most of their time at home infront of a PC...and when they get up they go to KELA, then to the shops, hospitals, banks,post offices and back home....
type C- a)those who came here with jobs already and are relaxed and don't know nothing about this country being hard for foreign people, this ofcourse includes (b)"the few LUCKY ONES who hunted for jobs and got them in few months time but who are unfortunately fooled by those 1 or 2 YEAR LONG contracts which most of the time are NEVER RENEWED...
most of the time type C(b)will turn to type B or type A later on.

THIS IS ACCORDING TO MY 9 YEARS LONG UNOFFICIAL RESEARCH...LOL!!THE DATA OF WHICH ARE SAVED IN MY PRECIOUS MIND....

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