Learning this language....

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Re: Learning this language....

Post by Karhunkoski » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:42 pm

sinikala wrote:Many who did O-Level maths at school will know that "some officers have curly auburn hair till old age"
Wow, we just made do with "SOHCAHTOA", and learned it as that.

My favourite was PINTS PUSH, which contains all the elements that needed to be legally included in an employment contract.


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Post by Rob A. » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:01 pm

Karhunkoski wrote:
sinikala wrote:Many who did O-Level maths at school will know that "some officers have curly auburn hair till old age"
Wow, we just made do with "SOHCAHTOA", and learned it as that.

My favourite was PINTS PUSH, which contains all the elements that needed to be legally included in an employment contract.
I suppose I could try googling, but I'll ask anyway... What do "SOHCAHTOA" and "PINTS PUSH" actually represent?? :) ...and I throw this nmemonic into the fray....ROYGBIV... I think I picked this one up during a high school physics course...and have never forgotten it...:)

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Re: Learning this language....

Post by sinikala » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:02 pm

Rob A. wrote:
Karhunkoski wrote:
sinikala wrote:Many who did O-Level maths at school will know that "some officers have curly auburn hair till old age"
Wow, we just made do with "SOHCAHTOA", and learned it as that.

My favourite was PINTS PUSH, which contains all the elements that needed to be legally included in an employment contract.
I suppose I could try googling, but I'll ask anyway... What do "SOHCAHTOA" and "PINTS PUSH" actually represent?? :) ...and I throw this nmemonic into the fray....ROYGBIV... I think I picked this one up during a high school physics course...and have never forgotten it...:)
sine=opp/hyp
cosine=adj/hyp
tangent=opp/adj

no idea about pints push, which is a mnemonic, as opposed to the others which are just acronyms.

We did colours of the rainbow in infant school - "Richard of York gave battle in vain" or "Roy Orbison's yacht goes best in Vancouver" as mentioned earlier.
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Post by Rob A. » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:45 pm

sinikala wrote:
Rob A. wrote:... (darn this three quotes maximum limit...:))...

I suppose I could try googling, but I'll ask anyway... What do "SOHCAHTOA" and "PINTS PUSH" actually represent?? :) ...and I throw this nmemonic into the fray....ROYGBIV... I think I picked this one up during a high school physics course...and have never forgotten it...:)
sine=opp/hyp
cosine=adj/hyp
tangent=opp/adj
Heh, heh... that would have been useful for me to know way back when...I frequently had to "futz" around trying to remember which side went over which...:)

....
We did colours of the rainbow in infant school - "Richard of York gave battle in vain" or "Roy Orbison's yacht goes best in Vancouver" as mentioned earlier.

Well...that just goes to show...you guys are too quick for me... :lol: I read that the other day...and didn't pick up on it... Our prof/teacher just taught it as a guy's name..."Roy G. Biv"...and I guess we weren't considered precocious enough to be taught this sort of thing in kindergarten.... :lol: :)

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Re: Learning this language....

Post by onkko » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:55 pm

"Memory rules" are great, i have one "puimuri"(harvester) and its ohms law. P=UI m U=RI, you can calculate almost everything with that if you remember "triangle rule" :)

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 P    U
--    --
UI    RI
So P=UI, U=P/I, I=P/U etc.. easy to remember :)
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Post by Jukka Aho » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:23 pm

YLE’s weekly magazine show for “adults living the best years of their lives”, Priima, interviewed a memory techniques expert, Lic. Med., professional magician, stand-up comedian (etc. etc.) Martti Vannas in their last Thursday’s episode. In the interview, Vannas gave away some of the tricks and techniques one can use for recalling various daily things more reliably.

Recent episodes of Priima can be viewed on YLE’s Areena website, but only from Finnish IP addresses (or via a suitable proxy!), and only until the next week’s episode comes out. So if someone would like to watch it, better do that now. The Vannas interview starts at 8 minutes 43 seconds into the show. You can skip directly there by using the player controls.

One of the words Vannas uses in this interview (and which you can’t necessarily find in a dictionary!) is puupäähattu, or Puupää-hattu. This is a reference to a certain type of distinctive hat worn by the fictional comic and film character Pekka Puupää, originally created by the comics artist Ola Fogelberg for his comic strip by the same name, and later portrayed by Esa Pakarinen in numerous very popular black & white comedy films which are now regarded as Finnish comedy classics (much in the same way as e.g. the films by Laurel and Hardy or Fy og Bi are seen in their respective home countries.)

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Just like with Laurel and Hardy, and Fy og Bi, Pekka Puupää was also paired with a shorter sidekick, called Pätkä (“Stump”), pictured above. Note the decorative flower in Pekka’s hat (päivänkakkara, or Leucanthemum vulgare.) Vannas mentions it in the interview.
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Post by Pursuivant » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:31 pm

aaah, Fy&Bi = the "Lighthouse and trailer" - those were wicked funny... I found Woodhead's a bit... woody.
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Re: Learning this language....

Post by enk » Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:05 pm

Is it possible to watch Priima through TVKaista?

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Post by Jukka Aho » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:40 pm

enk wrote:Is it possible to watch Priima through TVKaista?
Unfortunately it isn’t. They require their new customers to manually start the recording first, so you can’t watch anything that was on before the time you subscribed to their service:

Kirjauduttuasi sisään TVkaistaan sinulle avautuu Tallenteet-sivu. Tällä sivulla näet kalenterin, jossa on kahden edellisen viikon päivämäärät. Kalenterista voit valita sen päivämäärän, jonka tv-ohjelmia haluat katsoa. Voit kuitenkin katsoa tallenteita ainoastaan alkaen siitä päivämäärästä jolloin olet aloittanut tv-ohjelmien tallennuksen TVkaista-tallentimellasi.

There are legal reasons behind this restriction. Some tv companies (YLE in particular) have sued – or at least threatened to sue – companies offering these kind of services, claiming that they’re running some sort of unlicensed public video archive with copyrighted material on their servers.

In order to avoid these legal problems, TVkaista and their competitors have had to build a token “manual” element into their services: something that makes it look like the individual customers were in control of the recording process themselves and actually had some personal recording space on the remote server. But in practice, all the customers probably share the same data on the server and the system in fact records everything automatically – just preventing access to the older stuff for those who haven’t yet activated their “personal” recording service... but for the aforementioned legal reasons, they need that make-believe layer built into the system as it allows everyone to pretend it ain’t so!
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Re: Learning this language....

Post by enk » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:32 pm

Darn, so no other feasible way than to find someone who has had
a TV-kaista account long enough ;D

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Re: Learning this language....

Post by paddyharper » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:59 am

Hi tla,

Reading your post actually forced me to register so I could reply :O)

I've now been here for 4 years and I am in exactly the same position as you.. everything you said rings true. My Finnish wife tries is very patient but it always falls back to English again after 5 mins. It is a constant slog mainly because learning Finnish isn't really exciting and new any more.. it's just something to keep going at.

Anyway.. this is my 'learning dicipline (haha)'.. probably repeating what many have posted..

I meet with a few English speaking/Finnish-learning friends at a bar and we talk Finnish as much as we can
Watch recorded films with Finnish subtitles in slow motion so I can pause and use dictionary
Vocabulary: A pile of printed flashcards (I use the website Quizlet.com) at my desk when I'm at work
I try to butt into my workmates' conversations in Finnish.
I bought Jenni Vartiainen's CD and translated all the lyrics so I could sing along in Finnish... pity the first song I learned was a lesbian lovesong... not too macho :OP

Most of all I think you just need to 'restart' every few months and keep giving yourself a kick because it is far too easy to survive here in English :O(

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Re: Learning this language....

Post by kalmisto » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:39 pm

How to learn to speak Finnish quickly :
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Re: Learning this language....

Post by onkko » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:53 pm

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