Haaga-Helia

[snoopx]

Hello to everybody,

I will start to study Business IT to Haaga-Helia University in Helsinki Pasila.

Recently i have talk with somebody from Pakistan that has been a student to Haaga-Helia, Business IT for 2 years and now has quit the school and want to move back to his country. He has told me that he didn't learn anything to Haaga-Helia Business IT and it's a crappy school ! After all this he told me that are a lot of students that are quitting Haaga-Helia Business Information Technology! It's true ? Why ? I would want to hear some opinions of people that have finished there or that are studying there right now, Finnish people and foreigners also! What you think about Business Information Technology at Haaga-Helia ? How it's going there ? Can you help me with some info please ?

Thanks!

P.S. Also has told me that there is a teacher: Juhanis or Juhanus or something like this that he don't know anything, and i don't must to take his class! !

[Vesper]

An education is better than no education. Why listen to a college drop-out? Failure is write on his resume/CV. Attends 2 years and drops-out, a real winner. As far as I can tell, your Pakistan friend is and will stay below the poverty bar without a degree.

[snoopx]

I know this and i don't believe what he say! I was just curious what people think about this, people that have been students there or that are studying right now! He's not my friend, i have just talk about this because i wanted to hear more opinions about this degree!

[Pursuivant]

Well, I graduated from there in the turn of the century. Basically the origins of the school are in that it was the first college to offer any computer courses in Finland in the 1970's. Many of the teachers there "invented" the IT in Finland. When I was in there it had one of the few SAP labs where you could actually learn ABAP coding even. I took the "boring" major of system design but then again having been in a few projects I never regretted it afterwards. Agreed, the teaching methodology runs heavily on project work, but then again that preps you to working life. You end up in a crap team your project sucks. You just need to figure out a "system". Don't know if the english BIT has quite as many options as the Finnish line, but you have then all the business side as well there. So calling it a "crap school" I think the problem lies in the recieving end... the teachers aren't there to tell you how things are - they're there to coach you to find out how things are.

[irnbru]

Some real gurus teach there. And the course is really intensive. I had no time to socialize when studying IT there (nearly cracked up under the workload). Graduated in 2007 with a gpa of 3.5/5. Got a decent job before I graduated. Haven't looked back really.

About 70% of my classmates quit before the end. They pretty much couldn't handle the workload.

The BITE course covers many different aspects of IT but they pretty much steer you towards being a software developer.

Obviously it isn't as flash as a computer science degree from HUT or MIT or something but you will be able to gather requirements, make pretty UML pictures, code, test and deploy when you come out of there.

[snoopx]

Some real gurus teach there. And the course is really intensive. I had no time to socialize when studying IT there (nearly cracked up under the workload). Graduated in 2007 with a gpa of 3.5/5. Got a decent job before I graduated. Haven't looked back really.

About 70% of my classmates quit before the end. They pretty much couldn't handle the workload.

The BITE course covers many different aspects of IT but they pretty much steer you towards being a software developer.

Obviously it isn't as flash as a computer science degree from HUT or MIT or something but you will be able to gather requirements, make pretty UML pictures, code, test and deploy when you come out of there.

This is good! I have some experience in IT and i have a diploma from high-school in IT (annalist programmer). I just need to study more to have Bachelor's Degree in IT and what i want to study is programming because this i like and this i want to do!

Thanks for your replay! One week and i will start yuhuuuuuuuuu Damn, last time i have been in school....hmmmmz 7 years ago!
It will be fun, nice and wired to go studying again! I will manage this !!

Thank you people! If somebody has some other opinions about Haaga-Helia, BITE degree please write here!

[Pursuivant]

Take all the SAP courses.

[irnbru]

This is good! I have some experience in IT and i have a diploma from high-school in IT (annalist programmer). I just need to study more to have Bachelor's Degree in IT and what i want to study is programming because this i like and this i want to do!

Glad you like programming. Just reading my diploma:

Programming 1 (Java)
Programming 2 (Java)
Programming 3 (Java)
.NET Programming (C#)
Developing information systems (Java)
Mobile applications (Java)
Advanced internet programming (PHP)
Development of transport layer security protected applications (C)

It's not all programming though loads of design, project management, networking and maths business and language course too. Lots of Finnish of course.

Everyone on my course who made it to the end is working in Finland now. Most are programmers but I know of a tester and a sys admin too.

[Pursuivant]

And also - if you have "extra slots" so you can take some course, take something "supportive" like yeah yeah programmer its good to know about routers and networks... and also the design & business side of things... or then something relaxing to the brain like a China project (you never know about outsourcing)...

[snoopx]

This is good! I have some experience in IT and i have a diploma from high-school in IT (annalist programmer). I just need to study more to have Bachelor's Degree in IT and what i want to study is programming because this i like and this i want to do!

Glad you like programming. Just reading my diploma:

Programming 1 (Java)
Programming 2 (Java)
Programming 3 (Java)
.NET Programming (C#)
Developing information systems (Java)
Mobile applications (Java)
Advanced internet programming (PHP)
Development of transport layer security protected applications (C)

It's not all programming though loads of design, project management, networking and maths business and language course too. Lots of Finnish of course.

Everyone on my course who made it to the end is working in Finland now. Most are programmers but I know of a tester and a sys admin too.

In school in my country i have start with Pascal (11 years ago), after it was C/C++, FoxPro. By myself i have learn, JavaScript, HTML (CSS), Visual Basic, VBScript, Delphi, PHP and MySQL (now, learning). But i have just a high-school diploma (annalist programmer), i have been to some interviews and i have worked a wile for Flander (at some localisation projects)...but i can't get any proper job because i don't have Bachelor's Degree (at least)...so for this i have decided to study more to have that @#$% paper...everywhere they ask you this! You don't have'it they don't even look at you! It's not important what you know but what paper you have! Damn! But it's ok soon i will graduate like 3.5 years from now! He, he the "perkele" is not so dark!

[forest_girl]

Well, what about Int. Business Program? Is it good, how about teachers? Career prospects? (I mean Finland..) (I know some finnish language already, looking forward to deepen my knowledge while studying)

[snoopx]

Of course i will take the finnish language! This is my priority! I want to talk finnish next year in this time! I talk a little even now but still at home with my women i don't have time to talk finnish with her so english! ))

I can't wait to start my school! I'm like a child ) damn!

[snoopx]

Well, what about Int. Business Program? Is it good, how about teachers? Career prospects? (I mean Finland..) (I know some finnish language already, looking forward to deepen my knowledge while studying)

Now you will start ? on 17 ?

[karen]

Glad you like programming. Just reading my diploma:

Programming 1 (Java)
Programming 2 (Java)
Programming 3 (Java)
.NET Programming (C#)
Developing information systems (Java)
Mobile applications (Java)
Advanced internet programming (PHP)
Development of transport layer security protected applications (C)

It's not all programming though loads of design, project management, networking and maths business and language course too. Lots of Finnish of course.

Everyone on my course who made it to the end is working in Finland now. Most are programmers but I know of a tester and a sys admin too.

The new program is very different and centers on Microsoft and website development. I've been trying to think of friends from my class who have quit, but I think most of them who managed to make it through the first two years have graduated. PHP was never available in English, only Finnish.

[forest_girl]

Well, what about Int. Business Program? Is it good, how about teachers? Career prospects? (I mean Finland..) (I know some finnish language already, looking forward to deepen my knowledge while studying)

Now you will start ? on 17 ?

Well, for me it starts on Tuesday, 18.