How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

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How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by Koryo » Fri May 28, 2010 8:29 pm

Hello everbody :D,

I am a 23 year old female student who wanted to learn finnish since she was 7 years old.
Well as life goes sometimes, things don't always work out as you want them too, so in the end I decided not to study there and
an exchange was never possible.

I do not intend to live or work in Finland in the future ( a bit too cold :lol: ), but I would like to be able to communicate with the friends I know , and be able to speak it
when I am on my vacation. Where I am living, there are no courses offered, people are not interested in the finnish language. Too be honest, I am a person who
needs preasure to be able to learn. Pressure existed in my school where I learned latin for eight years. Learning english ( I am a german native speaker) was
only possible for me after I moved to the USA/NZ/UK. I can speak a bit japanese, korean and italian, but due to the lack of discipline I never really progressed.

Of course I do know that at some point I do have to go to Finland, that is how it worked for me in regard to english, but at the moment I don't have the time.
So are there any advices or strategies on how I can motivate myself to do it on my own? Looking at the grammar without any help was very frustrating for me so I stoped.
But I want to learn this beautiful language, and I know I am not going to be satisfied till I have mastered it.



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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by Satish » Fri May 28, 2010 8:59 pm

I recommend you get a children's book in Finnish and vow to learn enough Finnish to be able to read it. or any book for that matter...
If you want a suggestion, try Kylässä by Tapani Bagge. It is 62 pages long and is a very sweet story.. (I think it won an award)

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by tuulen » Fri May 28, 2010 9:22 pm

Finnish children manage to learn the Finnish language without any study of grammar, but a study of grammar is very useful for adults who learned other languages first. In English, two very good Finnish grammar authors are Fred Karlsson and Leila White. As advise, do not attempt to rush through a grammar book, but take all of the time needed to understand each of the lessons. For instance, there is virtually nothing about the English language which could be of any use in a study of the Finnish language, and so begin a study of the Finnish language with one grammatical rule at a time. Keep doing that, and eventually you will succeed.

Let me add that in order to use a Finnish dictionary you will need to understand Finnish grammar.

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by Jukka Aho » Fri May 28, 2010 10:02 pm

Koryo wrote:So are there any advices or strategies on how I can motivate myself to do it on my own?
This is a recurring topic on this forum. Some previous suggestions have included:
  1. Finding contemporary Finnish music you like, studying the lyrics (both their meaning and their pronunciation, maybe doing some sing-along too)
  2. Picture books, even kids’ stuff (there are those which can be moderately entertaining for an adult reader as well... and then there are those which come with an audio tape or CD)
  3. Comic strips; deciphering the joke in those three or four panels
  4. Movies, TV shows (comedy, entertainment, fiction)
  5. Books. Again, there are those which are for adults and those which are for kids at the surface level but can be entertaining for adults as well... and I don’t mean only long books but humorous short stories and such as well
  6. Magazines, especially those which cover topics you’re interested in anyway, as a hobby or professionally
  7. Radio (including Internet streaming radio), podcasts
  8. Blogs about topics which interest you; IRC and other real-time chat systems where you can hang around in a busy discussion room; Finnish discussion forums
  9. Spaced repetition software such as Mnemosynic where you can create your own collection of interesting expressions and their translations, in flashcard style, and the program will step you through the drills
  10. As for grammar, there’s quite a lot of information about that on the Internet these days so you don’t need to rely on a single grammar book alone
So where are you from? What is your mother tongue? Do you know any other languages? Have you ever studied another language?

What are you interests and personal preferences as regards to music genres, movies, hobbies, books, etc.? Would you like some suggestions concerning any of those?

Authentic material can be a good motivator if it is interesting enough. Getting to the level where you can actually read a magazine article or a blog entry will undoubtedly take a non-trivial amount of time and effort, but authentic material can help you better direct your efforts when taking those first steps in understanding the grammar and learning the vocabulary. And even without full understanding, or not much understanding at all, you can start working on the easiest-looking bits, probing around and questioning what they might mean. The learning curve will be steep at first but once you have some of the basics under your belt, intuition and context-guided guesswork can go a long way; especially when working with authentic materials where you’re actually interested in the material – not just for the sake of exercise but for the content itself.

Authentic material is not a replacement for the study of grammar, though, and it is not even a replacement for the simplified text-book type material. A heavy dose of grammar is required to understand the various forms the Finnish words can take, and simplified material is useful, too, as it will usually focus on certain very basic grammatical aspects of the language without overwhelming or distracting you with the more advanced stuff. But since text-book type materials are “artificial” by their very nature – and therefore usually a bit dull or silly – they may not be as motivating as authentic material. Suitable authentic material, when used on the side, can motivate you by giving you something interesting and “real” to strive for and look forward to. It can probably also arouse some interesting questions you might want to ask here, for example.

There’s a near-endless supply of free authentic material that can be found on the Internet if you know where to look from. So getting your hands on various kinds of authentic material does not mean you would necessarily need to buy heaps of stuff – although buying (or having your friends send you) some actual physical objects such as books or magazines could help, too, in motivational sense. But let us help you with the free stuff by telling a bit more about your interests and hobbies. What would that be? Arts, crafts, cooking, history, computers, metal music, photography, DIY construction, playing an instrument... or something related to your line of study or work, perhaps?
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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by Koryo » Fri May 28, 2010 10:28 pm

I think I am going to start with a children's book, sounds like a good idea.
Saying where I am from is very difficult as I have lived in eight countries, but as I have stated above my mother tongue is german. When I was young
I was also able to speak korean and japanese. Unfortunately most of this knowledge is lost. I have studied japanese, korean, latin, english, italian and french before, even a bit finnish, but as I said before my lack of discipline can be a problem sometimes.

Listening to metal is what I sometimes do, but until I would be able to translate some of the lyrics it will take quite a while. I do like baking quite a lot. (Korvapuustit, very yummy :D )
Some of my interests include traveling, playing instruments, Video games, material arts, reading, movies, astronomy...."

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by sinikettu » Fri May 28, 2010 10:53 pm

I read the books.
I had lessons.
I suffered Karlsson (and Hank).
Then I discovered "total immersion".
This technique requires:
1: A pub.
2. A few beers (dutch corrage).
3. Friends.
Just try..talk and listen.,,,slowly, ,,Enllish becomes Finglish, and eventualy it becomes (almost) Finnish.

I just spent 3 hours in a pub and never spoke English once.
I was understood 80% of the time, and I understood 90% what was said.
My motivation is the 100% target (plus more friends)!
People do not become more irritable as they grow old - they simply stop making the effort to avoid annoying others.

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by Jukka Aho » Fri May 28, 2010 11:51 pm

Koryo wrote:I think I am going to start with a children's book, sounds like a good idea.
Saying where I am from is very difficult as I have lived in eight countries, but as I have stated above my mother tongue is german.
Where do you live at the moment? (In which country?)

Since your mother tongue is German, are you aware of this website and the related discussion forum?
Koryo wrote:Listening to metal is what I sometimes do, but until I would be able to translate some of the lyrics it will take quite a while.
Any other genres you fancy? Rock, pop, ethnic/alternative, electronic music?
Koryo wrote:I do like baking quite a lot. (Korvapuustit, very yummy :D )
Go check out Ruokaohjeita ja herkkuja à la Marie. (See here as well.)
Koryo wrote:Some of my interests include [...] playing instruments,
See this post and the links provided in it.
Koryo wrote:Video games
How about computers in general? Are you computer-savvy? Demoscene, LAN parties, gatherings? (such as Assembly... see here as well.) Retrocomputing?

A couple of paper magazines with some online content:
Some other stuff:
Korvo wrote:astronomy....
As for language-related websites, try the following:
Some random stuff:
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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by efAston » Sun May 30, 2010 2:54 pm

The best motivator for me has been Finnish people, I have a great tutor who has is really interested in the language and has a lively sense of humour, and I have some Finnish friends who I can try stuff out on, the easiest medium for it being facebook. I also changed my facebook to Finnish so I get used to words that are used a lot like Picture, Upload, Friend, Like, and I've joined the comedy site Naurunappula which gives me similar opportunities. I find that Finnish people are really encouraging and congratulatory when you string together even the dodgiest bits of Finnish, and it makes it very rewarding for me.

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by efAston » Sun May 30, 2010 3:01 pm

Jukka Aho wrote:
Koryo wrote:Listening to metal is what I sometimes do, but until I would be able to translate some of the lyrics it will take quite a while.
Any other genres you fancy? Rock, pop, ethnic/alternative, electronic music?
You don't think metal is a good genre for Finnish? I can't think of anything more appropriate! I've actually had some fun translating Teräsbetoni and Ajattara, but you'll need someone to help you or a big dictionary, or a good eye for stem forms, which held me up a bit when I was getting started. The advantage is that it's very easy to memorise phrases when you listen to them in songs, hahahah I still hear Kaunis Nainen in my head to the tune of Pretty Woman and am oddly familiar with the words Missä Miehet and Ratsastaa. Anything to keep it interesting.

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by Pursuivant » Sun May 30, 2010 3:53 pm

sinikettu wrote: My motivation is the 100% target (plus more friends)!
And making puns with the barmaid without getting slapped :lol:
"By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes."

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Post by Pursuivant » Sun May 30, 2010 3:56 pm

Koryo wrote: When I was young
I was also able to speak korean and japanese.
Well, it should help a bit with pronouncing Finnish syllables.

Kotonako natosi joi kainona teen?
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Something wicked this way comes."

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Post by sinikettu » Sun May 30, 2010 4:44 pm

Pursuivant wrote:
sinikettu wrote: My motivation is the 100% target (plus more friends)!
And making puns with the barmaid without getting slapped :lol:
I will never be allowed be allowed to forget that slip.
"!s it free (the beer)? (as in no cost). Intended.
"Are you needing/without sex?" My bad pronunciation. :beamer:

Ilmaiseksi/Ilmansexsi.
People do not become more irritable as they grow old - they simply stop making the effort to avoid annoying others.

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by opinto » Sun May 30, 2010 5:01 pm

Tedhä rikos ja vankilassa opisskelu
haluan oppia puhumaan suomea peremmin Kirjoitaa se

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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by Jukka Aho » Mon May 31, 2010 3:03 pm

efAston wrote:
Jukka Aho wrote:
Koryo wrote:Listening to metal is what I sometimes do, but until I would be able to translate some of the lyrics it will take quite a while.
Any other genres you fancy? Rock, pop, ethnic/alternative, electronic music?
You don't think metal is a good genre for Finnish? I can't think of anything more appropriate!

Depends on the singer and their style of singing I guess. But actually I was just worried that the OP might have taken my off-the-cuff suggestion for metal music (which is a bit of a cliché - many people have got interested in Finland and Finnish by first listening to some metal band but there's lots of Finnish music available from other genres as well) as something I personally wanted him to listen and then just went along that line to humor me. (The OP might want to see here and here for some suggestions on Finnish songs which are not metal.)
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Re: How can I motivate myself to learn finnish on my own?

Post by efAston » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:19 am

Heh, it is hard to imagine life without having heard Frederik and the Leningrad Cowboys once you've heard them, even for a metaller.


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