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pieni älykkyystesti - a small intelligence test

Post by kalmisto » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:36 pm

Kirjoita 13 niin,että siinä on 4 ykköstä !

kirjoittaa = to write
niin,että = in such a way that
siinä on = in it there is/are
ykkönen = number 1



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Re: pieni älykkyystesti - a small intelligence test

Post by Rob A. » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:14 pm

kalmisto wrote:Kirjoita 13 niin,että siinä on 4 ykköstä !

kirjoittaa = to write
niin,että = in such a way that
siinä on = in it there is/are
ykkönen = number 1

Hmmmm...at first I thought it was a trick question ... But the closest I could come was "1101", but there is still a "0" there. Then there is "XIII" , but four "1's"....I don't know , I can't think of any other numbering conventions.. :D

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Post by AldenG » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:27 pm

Rob A. wrote: Hmmmm...at first I thought it was a trick question ... But the closest I could come was "1101", but there is still a "0" there. Then there is "XIII" , but four "1's"....I don't know , I can't think of any other numbering conventions.. :D
Well, binary is about special knowledge rather than intelligence. But you didn't exhaust your options:

1010 + 0011

or

1010
0011

These things usually turn on invalid assumptions, such as the idea that you can't use a + sign.
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Post by Rob A. » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:12 am

....or simply 11 +1 +1...but that seems too obvious to be an "intelligence test".... :wink:

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Post by jahasjahas » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:24 am

If you're allowed to rotate your ones:

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Post by Rob A. » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:08 am

jahasjahas wrote:If you're allowed to rotate your ones:

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Now that definitely shows intelligence....thinking outside the box.... I thought Finns weren't allowed to do that... a cultural prohibition, so to speak.... :wink:

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Post by AldenG » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:27 am

Rob A. wrote:....or simply 11 +1 +1...but that seems too obvious to be an "intelligence test".... :wink:
Then again, it's more in the usual spirit of these riddles because anybody can do it.

Funny I thought of the binary but not the ordinary.

I'm guessing you found the intended answer.
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Post by kalmisto » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:21 pm

Rob A. wrote:....or simply 11 +1 +1...but that seems too obvious to be an "intelligence test".... :wink:
That was the correct answer. Congratulations !

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Post by kalmisto » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:31 pm

Rob A. wrote:....or simply 11 +1 +1...but that seems too obvious to be an "intelligence test".... :wink:
If you think that it was a little too easy here is something more difficult :

Etsi luku,joka on 11 kertaa niin suuri kuin saman luvun numeroiden summa !
( Find a number that is 11 times as big as the sum of its digits ! )

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Post by jahasjahas » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:45 pm

kalmisto wrote:Etsi luku,joka on 11 kertaa niin suuri kuin saman luvun numeroiden summa !
( Find a number that is 11 times as big as the sum of its digits ! )
Spoiler:
10x+y = 11(x+y)
Now you take it home, solve it, plot it, see the only non-negative values of x and y, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato. Baby, you've got a stew going.

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Post by Rob A. » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:08 pm

kalmisto wrote:
Rob A. wrote:....or simply 11 +1 +1...but that seems too obvious to be an "intelligence test".... :wink:
If you think that it was a little too easy here is something more difficult :

Etsi luku,joka on 11 kertaa niin suuri kuin saman luvun numeroiden summa !
( Find a number that is 11 times as big as the sum of its digits ! )

Well....I can't see it. I don't seem to have the kind of mind that looks for obvious solutions...I'm thinking about quadratic equations.....:D

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Post by AldenG » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:02 pm

Rob A. wrote:
kalmisto wrote:
Rob A. wrote:....or simply 11 +1 +1...but that seems too obvious to be an "intelligence test".... :wink:
If you think that it was a little too easy here is something more difficult :

Etsi luku,joka on 11 kertaa niin suuri kuin saman luvun numeroiden summa !
( Find a number that is 11 times as big as the sum of its digits ! )

Well....I can't see it. I don't seem to have the kind of mind that looks for obvious solutions...I'm thinking about quadratic equations.....:D
That one wasn't too hard because there aren't that many numbers divisible by 11. Plus intuition tells you it has to be within a certain range because of how sums and products grow differently. And as you look at likely options there's a quick convergence toward the solution.

I'd say be less formal and try accessing the non-scientist within you. :wink:
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Post by AldenG » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:05 pm

I do begin to wonder, though, could there actually be more than one solution? Mine is the lowest possible solution.

On EDIT:

Wait, duh! Mine is the SECOND lowest possible solution. :lol:

Great little equation from jahasjahas, though. It didn't jump out at me that the problem was amenable to algebraic solution because I didn't consider splitting out the digits in that fashion.
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Post by jahasjahas » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:58 pm

I never knew algebra and equations could be so useful in a language school!

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Post by AldenG » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:39 am

jahasjahas wrote:I never knew algebra and equations could be so useful in a language school!
Still, you were missing a variable...
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