change in benefit laws

[Rip]

If both are on labour market subsidy, I don't see what would change. If one is working, then things are different. Labour market subsidy I think is also the only benefit that is changed. Some of the benefits have not depended on the income of you spouse even before (like the other unemployment benefits), while others are calculated based on family income anyway (housing subsidy, municipal welfare benefit)

[interleukin]

everyone pays from their earned income despite not watching it....

yaddi yahh... I pay for the storage of other peoples´children during the day, and I pay for health care for overweight smokers. Can we please get over this !"#¤% about the people not watching tv being martyrs?

[Karhunkoski]

everyone pays from their earned income despite not watching it....

yaddi yahh... I pay for the storage of other peoples´children during the day, and I pay for health care for overweight smokers. Can we please get over this !"#¤% about the people not watching tv being martyrs?

+1

[Sunil-123]

So the labour subsidy payment will now be based solely on the income (or lack thereof) of the unemployed partner? What was the reasoning behind this change?

It also promotes independence which in my opinion is a very good step. Alongwith other domestic issues, there are many fat Finns who could use the financial dependence of their foreign spouses to their advantage, but not anymore.

[Adrian42]

So the labour subsidy payment will now be based solely on the income (or lack thereof) of the unemployed partner? What was the reasoning behind this change?

It also promotes independence which in my opinion is a very good step. Alongwith other domestic issues, there are many fat Finns who could use the financial dependence of their foreign spouses to their advantage, but not anymore.

The opposite might actually happen: With the Finnish government paying money to his wife, his wife no longer costs the fat Finn any money - he might even demand that she gives part or all of the money she gets to him. She will still do whatever he wants her to do, since her Residence Permit would vanish if he files for divorce.

So one way to look at it is that the Finnish government now pays money to fat Finns who import foreign wives.

[cors187]

The thread is a bit sketchy, anyone with a link to English?
The Finnish legislators are as smart as any.

After the change, I get the maximum amount every day regardless.

Unfortunately... now there is no incentive for unemployed people to bother signing up for an approved activity, since they already get the maximum without it.

This seems like a centrelink component.
Offering the basic autonomy for the unemployed without regard for other systems , like the spouses tax return, and other assorted details.

[Sami-Is-Boss]

everyone pays from their earned income despite not watching it....

yaddi yahh... I pay for the storage of other peoples´children during the day, and I pay for health care for overweight smokers. Can we please get over this !"#¤% about the people not watching tv being martyrs?

That's different though - you theoretically pay for the storage of other people's children so they can go out to work and contribute to the society in which you live. When you were little, people paid for the storage of you so your mum could go out and work, etc etc. That's how tax works...

[interleukin]

That's different though

Nope, it's in no way different. The tv tax will pay for making sure there is always a basic availability of local material made and distributed. This may not suit you exactly, but it is the only thing keeping a lot of eg. old people busy when no one visits. It also pays for the Swedish YLE programs, it's not like the commercial tv channels are going to make anything in Swedish. (And if you don't think Swedish speakers need to have their own tv materials, we can start discussions on Swedish speakers paying reduced taxes for reduced services).

Also, if there is a major crisis (eg. Russia decides to do something stupid again), you're not going to go to CNN for info on where to go, where to find emergency shelter, YLE is expected to play a large role in that.

Also, if you just see tv as a bonus, and not something that keeps society running, then we can start discussing cutting down on anything cultural, anything to do with storage of teenagers after school (let's save money and send them home to play computer games!), etc etc.

tl;dr: yahhdi yahh

Sorry OP, we're off topic. I'll stop now.

[Rip]

Sorry to dig up this thread again. I was just wondering, what was the situation in labour market subsidy before the law change if both partners were unemployed? Did both of them receive it?

Yes (assuming they did not get anything better than that because of their employment history). Considering how small the labour market subsidy is, most of those couples would have likely qualified for additional benefits too.

http://web.archive.org/web/201204102215 ... enDocument

[Rip]

Ah, didn't know that, so evidently it only helps families where one of the spouses is employed.

Looking at the link I posted, also some families where both are unemployed, one getting income based unemployment money after (at least) relatively well paid job, but most of the families benefiting are those where one of the spouses is working.

[onkko]

Sorry to dig up this thread again. I was just wondering, what was the situation in labour market subsidy before the law change if both partners were unemployed? Did both of them receive it?

Yes and after is still yes.

[Rip]

The employment office won't accept to register both parents as job seekers unless the child is placed in daycare.

I don't think that can be true, although you would run into penalties if then on or the other parent ca not accept a job/ participate on what ever they throw at you because you can not arrange day care fast enough.